FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 15:59, themonsstar said: Kinmel Camp, Rhyl, North Wales Officer Cadet Battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, AmericanTommy said: Found this while back home in the USA for a few bucks. Unsure if this was a mass produced image or not o I picked it up. I belive it to be one of the (service?) battalions of the Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment). Two veteran NCOs at centre with wound stripes. The man at right with a star shaped badge on his chest pocket appears to have a Territorial Force shoulder title. The notice board on the hut reads D Company and possibly the beginning of a typical fractional battalion number 1/? Hut door marked for 1 NCO and 29 men . Edited 19 December , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanTommy Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 33 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Two veteran NCOs at centre with wound stripes. The man at right with a star shaped badge on his chest pocket appears to have a Territorial Force shoulder title. The notice board on the hut reads D Company and possibly the beginning of a typical fractional battalion number 1/? Hut door marked for 1 NCO and 29 men . Close up of the chap with the medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 23 hours ago, dundeesown said: RSF tails 11 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: For a period it was common (fashionable) for soldiers to fit extended tails to a walking out glengarry in order to cut a dash and look more swashbuckling. This was not just a Scottish thing and there are photos of English line and RMLI doing the same thing. 4 hours ago, AmericanTommy said: haven't heard this before. Good to know! 49 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: As you might imagine not approved for parade! Regular British soldiers especially, often modified their walking out head gear to be (as fashion perceived it) more impressive. Length of tails from my WW1 glengarries: KOSB 13 inches Argyll 9 Gordon 11 Black Watch 10 Cameron 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 Just now, gordon92 said: Length of tails from my WW1 glengarries: KOSB 13 inches Argyll 9 Gordon 11 Black Watch 10 Cameron 14 Interesting to see such a variety. I could show photos of pre-1897 British infantry glengarry ribbons (not just Scots) of equally variable length (see VWF). I don’t think that there were official regimental variation in length, but it’s not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 9 minutes ago, AmericanTommy said: Close up of the chap with the medal It has the shape and form of an old Rifle Volunteer Corps cap badge, perhaps that of the TF battalion’s forebears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 25 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Interesting to see such a variety. I could show photos of pre-1897 British infantry glengarry ribbons (not just Scots) of equally variable length (see VWF). I don’t think that there were official regimental variation in length, but it’s not impossible. A few years ago Joe Sweeney posted the official lengths of the ribbons for each regiment; unfortunately cannot locate the thread at this moment. There was some variation between regiments, but the differences were not as radical as we are seeing here. As we all know, the official specifications were frequently ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 43 minutes ago, gordon92 said: A few years ago Joe Sweeney posted the official lengths of the ribbons for each regiment; unfortunately cannot locate the thread at this moment. There was some variation between regiments, but the differences were not as radical as we are seeing here. As we all know, the official specifications were frequently ignored. That’s very interesting, Joe certainly had the data and I recall the arcane differences in kilt pins so I should not be surprised really. I’m not sure if the glengarries were contracted in small numbers to regimental spec or whether the tapes were simply added at battalion level by the sergeant master tailors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 41 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: That’s very interesting, Joe certainly had the data and I recall the arcane differences in kilt pins so I should not be surprised really. I’m not sure if the glengarries were contracted in small numbers to regimental spec or whether the tapes were simply added at battalion level by the sergeant master tailors. Here is what Joe wrote about glengarries (no mention of ribbons) in the 2nd half of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2017 Share Posted 19 December , 2017 25 minutes ago, gordon92 said: Here is what Joe wrote about glengarries (no mention of ribbons) in the 2nd half of this post. Yes I do recall reading that before, I remember the different head bands. My point was that I have never seen any indication of different length ribbons, so your personal collection surprised me. I do wonder if they were made up and fitted by battalion tailors, just as the ‘flashes’ of the RWF often were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanTommy Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Rifle Brigade (Transport Section?) Cologne, 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon92 Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 22 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes I do recall reading that before, I remember the different head bands. My point was that I have never seen any indication of different length ribbons, so your personal collection surprised me. I do wonder if they were made up and fitted by battalion tailors, just as the ‘flashes’ of the RWF often were. Indeed, that is quite possible. The Cameron glengarry that I have with the 14 inch ribbon is an officer's item; thus, I imagine the tailoring was to the whim of that individual officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 December , 2017 Share Posted 21 December , 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, gordon92 said: Indeed, that is quite possible. The Cameron glengarry that I have with the 14 inch ribbon is an officer's item; thus, I imagine the tailoring was to the whim of that individual officer. It’s certainly very intriguing, if the head bands could be made up to different specifications then I suppose it’s not impossible that the ribbons were too, but the contractual checks and inspections would have been very onerous for a busy Army and that made me think it less likely. Edited 21 December , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 December , 2017 Share Posted 21 December , 2017 14 hours ago, AmericanTommy said: Rifle Brigade (Transport Section?) Cologne, 1918 The bandolier and horses do seem to imply a battalion transport section and the building probably in use as stables and wagon shed. Most of the men seem young and without wound stripes, overseas service chevrons or medal ribbons. The unit is probably part of the Rhineland occupation force post armistice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 21 December , 2017 Share Posted 21 December , 2017 "Officers of No.5 Coy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 21 December , 2017 Share Posted 21 December , 2017 Prince Albert's Somerset L.I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303man Posted 22 December , 2017 Share Posted 22 December , 2017 Believed taken at Newbury Racecourse Army Service Corps, zooming in twin brothers in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 December , 2017 Share Posted 22 December , 2017 16 hours ago, GWF1967 said: Prince Albert's Somerset L.I. A 2nd Boer War veteran going by the ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 22 December , 2017 Share Posted 22 December , 2017 and India GS I believe. Tantalising lack of lower sleeve visibility .......... he is probably not the [R]SM ......... jacket wrong .......... might be a CSM, might be an Old Soldier with good conduct badges [or none!] He definitely has an air of authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Posted 22 December , 2017 Share Posted 22 December , 2017 Pioneer John Schofield 123966 RE, along with a couple of ASCs according to the cap badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 23 December , 2017 Share Posted 23 December , 2017 Gnr Edward Calladine. 134603. 51st Battery 39th Div. R.F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 December , 2017 Share Posted 23 December , 2017 18 hours ago, Muerrisch said: and India GS I believe. Tantalising lack of lower sleeve visibility .......... he is probably not the [R]SM ......... jacket wrong .......... might be a CSM, might be an Old Soldier with good conduct badges [or none!] He definitely has an air of authority. Yes that does look like an India GSM, so definitely an old regular. Despite his obvious presence I don’t think that he is more than a private for the reasons you outlined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 23 December , 2017 Share Posted 23 December , 2017 5 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes that does look like an India GSM, so definitely an old regular. Despite his obvious presence I don’t think that he is more than a private for the reasons you outlined. Puts me in mind of Colour-sergeant Bourne, 24th Foot, Rorkes Drft, as in "ZULU" ........ "now then sir, be a good gentleman ....." or some such, to the hysterical preacher man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins2 Posted 23 December , 2017 Share Posted 23 December , 2017 6 hours ago, Muerrisch said: Puts me in mind of Colour-sergeant Bourne, 24th Foot, Rorkes Drft, as in "ZULU" ........ "now then sir, be a good gentleman ....." or some such, to the hysterical preacher man. thought the same when looking at photo (Where do you think you are, do up that button) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 24 December , 2017 Share Posted 24 December , 2017 In one of the back ground windows ? Regt Pioneers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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