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GraemeClarke

Hi Steve,

Just found this thread and wondered if you could post the WD for Wednesday 31 October 1917

Cheers,

Graeme

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sgmcgregor

Hi Steve,

Just found this thread and wondered if you could post the WD for Wednesday 31 October 1917

Cheers,

Graeme

Graeme,

I just got your message. I don't check this site every day, so sorry I didn't answer sooner. I will get the information together and post it as soon as I can.

Regards,

Steven

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sgmcgregor

Hi Steve,

Just found this thread and wondered if you could post the WD for Wednesday 31 October 1917

Cheers,

Graeme

Graeme,

Sorry it's taken so long to get back. Find below a transcript of the day you are interested in.

31st October 1917

The enemy Trench Mortars were engaged by our Trench Mortars in the morning and in the evening. The enemy bombarded our trenches with Heavy Trench Mortars, in one case they scored a direct hit in the trench killing 2 men and injuring several others. Lewis Guns fired 1050 rounds through the day at enemy working parties.

Regards,

Steven

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Guest jzbdski

Hi Steven,

Just wanted to add my thanks for the Transcript from April 1915. Stumbled upon the forum as I was looking for some more information regarding my Great Grandfather who was killed on the 25th of April near Ypres.

The transcript has helped fill things out. I now need to work backwards and try and find out when he joined up and with which company he served, etc.

Regards

Richard

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GraemeClarke

Hi Steven

Sorry about the delay in thanking you, only just found the reply whilst mooching around the Forum. Sorry.

Graeme

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Derek Black

Graeme,

Would you mind having a look at what it says in the diary for the dates the 4th and 5th of May 1915 please?

I've read about a 2nd Btn mans death from gas and the report gives the date of the gas attack as 4th of May and his death the day after, but another source gives his death as the 6th?

Cheers,

Derek.

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Tom Lang

Derek,

I've attached my transcriptions for the 1st to 6th May 1915.

Tom.

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Derek Black

Thanks Tom,

That helps a lot.

It would make sense if the man in question is perhaps the O.R. referred to as wounded the 4th and died the 5th but it doesn't mention gas in his case.

Derek.

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Tom Lang

Hi Steven

In the hope you are still happy to do look ups I wonder if you would mind doing one for me

I am researching 2nd Lt J.P.F.F. De Salis who was killed with the battalion on the 22nd of January 1917. All I have is that "he was killed by a shell near Peronne".

In the hope that he gets a mention could you look up where they were and what they were up to when he was killed

I also have (from his MIC I think) that he joined the battalion in October 1916 would that get a mention?

Many thanks John

Hello Hambo,

I've just been reading through this and came across your enquiry.

I'm attaching 'snippets' of my translation of the War Diary.

2/Lt de Salis is mentioned as joining the Battalion on the 6th November, 1916.

There are 8 entries showing his name.

There are differences on the date of his death (21st or 22nd) as you'll see, but made sure that the text is verbatim.

Kindest Regards,

Tom Lang.

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alexpaterson

hi Stephen. I don't know if you are still on these means but I don't suppose you ever found any more detail on the actions of 2SEAFORTHS in this action on 18 April? My grandfather I think was OC A Coy and got his MC on this day. Sketchy details. I don't suppose there was ever a map was there? Its coming up to 100 years and as an illustrator I was going to do a little strip of the his part in the action. He was Robert (Eddie) Paterson. Interesting detail is that he nominated a Sgt in the coy for a VC in this action but it didn't go through.

Alex

 

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kenf48
5 hours ago, alexpaterson said:

hi Stephen. I don't know if you are still on these means but I don't suppose you ever found any more detail on the actions of 2SEAFORTHS in this action on 18 April? My grandfather I think was OC A Coy and got his MC on this day. Sketchy details. I don't suppose there was ever a map was there? Its coming up to 100 years and as an illustrator I was going to do a little strip of the his part in the action. He was Robert (Eddie) Paterson. Interesting detail is that he nominated a Sgt in the coy for a VC in this action but it didn't go through.

Alex

 

Posted 14 September , 2010

 

Welcome to the forum, Stephen has not visited since May 2017, but you could try sending him a personal message.

 

The thread predates the digitisation of the war diaries which can now be downloaded from the National Archives for £3.50 or viewed on Ancestry if you subscribe.

However they do not add much to the transcription cited in your post for that date.  There is no map in either the 2nd Seaforths Diary or that of the 10th Brigade. I've not looked at the Divisional diary.

 

However the Brigade diary gives their position on the 16th April 1918, following reorganisation of the line, as 'from PONT L'HINGES inclusive to La PANNIERE posts W.3.b.4.8. - House at W.33c.6.7.

 

There are two sites on line that offer Trench Maps, the National Library of Scotland https://maps.nls.uk/ww1/trenches/index.html which gives the facility to overlay Google maps

and McMasters University  on this occasion it is the latter which has the most relevant and easily read map.  It is sheet 36a which is here

http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo%3A70173/-/collection  zooming in square W is roughly in the centre of the map.  The screen shot is annotated at Pont l'Hinges and Pannerie which puts you in the ball park and clearly shows the Canal around which the action was fought.

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

 

 

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alexpaterson

Gosh, Ken, thank you so much for replying! That is super helpful stuff. That is very kind of you.

Alex

 

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Claire Robert

Hello all, I know this is a topic from a few years ago, but I wanted to chime in quickly to see if anyone can help.  I am looking for any war diaries like this one above posted by Mr. McGregor for the 2nd battalion of the Seaforth Highlanders, but for pre-WW1.  I know this forum is for the great war, and I am also interested in that, but want specifically to find some records of my great-great-great grandfather, Andrew Haddow, who was in the 2nd battalion and died in Lucknow, India in 1886.  The Highlanders erected a monument for him and a few of his 'brothers' there, but I have nothing else.

 

Hope someone can point me in a direction... this post with the war diaries is fascinating to me.  I don't want these things to be forgotten!

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kenf48
6 hours ago, Claire Robert said:

 I know this forum is for the great war, and I am also interested in that, but want specifically to find some records of my great-great-great grandfather, Andrew Haddow, who was in the 2nd battalion and died in Lucknow, India in 1886.  The Highlanders erected a monument for him and a few of his 'brothers' there, but I have nothing else.

 

Hope someone can point me in a direction... this post with the war diaries is fascinating to me.  I don't want these things to be forgotten!

 

Hi Claire and welcome to the forum.  

 

Unfortunately as you say your query is outside the scope of this forum.  War diaries were specific military documents kept in a theatre of war and held at the National Archives and lately on Ancestry.  Units in India were generally on garrison duty and were not even required to keep a diary during the war as it was not. Theatre of war.

 

There is a Victorian Wars forum

https://www.victorianwars.com/

And a dedicated Regimental Museum (staffed by volunteers)

http://www.thehighlandersmuseum.com/

 

The late Richard Holmes wrote a book  about the army in India ‘Sahib’

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sahib-British-Soldier-India-1750-1914/dp/0007137540/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1545121117&sr=8-1&keywords=sahib+richard+holmes

 

Good luck with your research.

 

Ken

 

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