Mechanic Posted 6 August , 2010 Share Posted 6 August , 2010 Hi I'm researching the Household Battalion locations used in late 1917 around Arras. The HB were part of the 4th division. Specifically I would like to know the exact locations of the following places: Wilderness Camp and Bois de Boeuf Camp east of Arras nr Tilloy-les-Moffaines; 4th Division Depot in or around Savy west of Arras I am also looking for Schramm Barracks in Arras and the Ecole Communiale on the Rue de l’Arsenal or Rue d’Arsonat - these may have been destroyed by later actions. Any info gratefully received in my search, I have the IGN blue maps to use for modern reference. Here's hoping some of you old sweats have some info. Many thanks Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavoT Posted 8 August , 2010 Share Posted 8 August , 2010 Hi Jason, do you have a specific interest in the Household Battalion? I'm in the process of researching a chap who was killed on 12 Oct 1917. This info could be handy in following his footsteps too. Cheers, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanic Posted 9 August , 2010 Author Share Posted 9 August , 2010 David My great grandfather was kia on 19/12/1917. I am tracing all known locations during his service. I have the "Diary of a Forgotten Battalion" and "A Distant Drum" both very useful references but I'm looking for more exact details if I can get them. Have you any other good reference material? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towisuk Posted 9 August , 2010 Share Posted 9 August , 2010 Here's a map from early 1918 and it has Bois de Boeuf marked, although not marked as a camp, it was probably a large house surrounded by trees before the war,I think that this would have been the camps position... regards Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanic Posted 9 August , 2010 Author Share Posted 9 August , 2010 Here's a map from early 1918 and it has Bois de Boeuf marked, although not marked as a camp, it was probably a large house surrounded by trees before the war,I think that this would have been the camps position... regards Tom Cheers Tom Nice map thanks. That wood is now called Bois Poulet. I've checked Battleground Europe Monchy-le-Preux and there is a reference to an incident where the 13/Royal Scots watched a german patrol enter a YMCA tent in the Bois-de-Boeuf and then rake it with machine gun fire killing them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavoT Posted 10 August , 2010 Share Posted 10 August , 2010 David My great grandfather was kia on 19/12/1917. I am tracing all known locations during his service. I have the "Diary of a Forgotten Battalion" and "A Distant Drum" both very useful references but I'm looking for more exact details if I can get them. Have you any other good reference material? Jason Hi Jason, I don't have much in the way of reference material but I recently added a WW1 pair to my collection to Trooper William Staniforth who was killed on the date indicated in my reply. I've gained a lot of information just by searching through this forum which has helped a lot in researching his activities on the Western Front. Hope to learn more. Cheers, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanic Posted 10 August , 2010 Author Share Posted 10 August , 2010 Hi Jason, I don't have much in the way of reference material but I recently added a WW1 pair to my collection to Trooper William Staniforth who was killed on the date indicated in my reply. I've gained a lot of information just by searching through this forum which has helped a lot in researching his activities on the Western Front. Hope to learn more. Cheers, David David what do you mean a WW1 pair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavoT Posted 11 August , 2010 Share Posted 11 August , 2010 WW1 pair refers to his medal entitlement. Cheers, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2212 Posted 14 March , 2022 Share Posted 14 March , 2022 On 09/08/2010 at 20:06, Mechanic said: Cheers Tom Nice map thanks. That wood is now called Bois Poulet. I've checked Battleground Europe Monchy-le-Preux and there is a reference to an incident where the 13/Royal Scots watched a german patrol enter a YMCA tent in the Bois-de-Boeuf and then rake it with machine gun fire killing them all. CSM Appleby Kia 9/4/1917 Bois de boeuf buried in tiloy cemetery 8th East York’s regiment. Do you have a date of the ambush? regards paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 15 March , 2022 Admin Share Posted 15 March , 2022 @Mechanic hasn’t visited the forum since 2010. The tag might alert them to your recent reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2212 Posted 15 March , 2022 Share Posted 15 March , 2022 37 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: @Mechanic hasn’t visited the forum since 2010. The tag might alert them to your recent reply. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 16 March , 2022 Admin Share Posted 16 March , 2022 I will dig out my copy of Monchy later to see what’s what for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 16 March , 2022 Admin Share Posted 16 March , 2022 It looks as though it was 28 March 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2212 Posted 16 March , 2022 Share Posted 16 March , 2022 34 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: It looks as though it was 28 March 1918 Thank you, after finding and reading the completion of the war diaries it seems Samuel fell when taking the area on the 9/4/1917 this thread has really helped with finding the location which is not very far from tilloy British cemetery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 16 March , 2022 Admin Share Posted 16 March , 2022 3 minutes ago, Paul2212 said: Thank you, after finding and reading the completion of the war diaries it seems Samuel fell when taking the area on the 9/4/1917 this thread has really helped with finding the location which is not very far from tilloy British cemetery It is always worth checking the Brigade War Diary, if you have not already done so. This has extensive operation orders for the 9th April which was the first day of the Battle of Arras. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052965 Free to download if you register. They include the maps used which can be downloaded from McMasters University or the National Library of Scotland, the latter allows you to do an overlay of Google Map. They were 51B. N. 7.3 AND 51B.S 7.2. 1:10000 There is information on how to read a trench map on the Long Long Trail. The 8th East Yorks were in 8th Brigade, 3rd Division therefore nothing to do with the Household Battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2212 Posted 16 March , 2022 Share Posted 16 March , 2022 47 minutes ago, kenf48 said: It is always worth checking the Brigade War Diary, if you have not already done so. This has extensive operation orders for the 9th April which was the first day of the Battle of Arras. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052965 Free to download if you register. They include the maps used which can be downloaded from McMasters University or the National Library of Scotland, the latter allows you to do an overlay of Google Map. They were 51B. N. 7.3 AND 51B.S 7.2. 1:10000 There is information on how to read a trench map on the Long Long Trail. The 8th East Yorks were in 8th Brigade, 3rd Division therefore nothing to do with the Household Battalion. Hi Ken thank you for the link, I had only read the regiment war diaries so this will be new info. regards paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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