Household Battalion Locations 1917

[Mechanic]

Hi

I'm researching the Household Battalion locations used in late 1917 around Arras. The HB were part of the 4th division.

Specifically I would like to know the exact locations of the following places:

Wilderness Camp and Bois de Boeuf Camp east of Arras nr Tilloy-les-Moffaines;

4th Division Depot in or around Savy west of Arras

I am also looking for Schramm Barracks in Arras and the Ecole Communiale on the Rue de l’Arsenal or Rue d’Arsonat - these may have been destroyed by later actions.

Any info gratefully received in my search, I have the IGN blue maps to use for modern reference.

Here's hoping some of you old sweats have some info.

Many thanks

Jason.

[DavoT]

Hi Jason,

do you have a specific interest in the Household Battalion? I'm in the process of researching a chap who was killed on 12 Oct 1917. This info could be handy in following his footsteps too.

Cheers,

David

[Mechanic]

David

My great grandfather was kia on 19/12/1917. I am tracing all known locations during his service. I have the "Diary of a Forgotten Battalion" and "A Distant Drum" both very useful references but I'm looking for more exact details if I can get them. Have you any other good reference material?

Jason

[towisuk]

Here's a map from early 1918 and it has Bois de Boeuf marked, although not marked as a camp, it was probably a large house surrounded by trees before the war,I think that this would have been the camps position...

regards

Tom

[Mechanic]

Here's a map from early 1918 and it has Bois de Boeuf marked, although not marked as a camp, it was probably a large house surrounded by trees before the war,I think that this would have been the camps position...

regards

Tom

Cheers Tom

Nice map thanks. That wood is now called Bois Poulet. I've checked Battleground Europe Monchy-le-Preux and there is a reference to an incident where the 13/Royal Scots watched a german patrol enter a YMCA tent in the Bois-de-Boeuf and then rake it with machine gun fire killing them all.

[DavoT]

David

My great grandfather was kia on 19/12/1917. I am tracing all known locations during his service. I have the "Diary of a Forgotten Battalion" and "A Distant Drum" both very useful references but I'm looking for more exact details if I can get them. Have you any other good reference material?

Jason

Hi Jason,

I don't have much in the way of reference material but I recently added a WW1 pair to my collection to Trooper William Staniforth who was killed on the date indicated in my reply. I've gained a lot of information just by searching through this forum which has helped a lot in researching his activities on the Western Front. Hope to learn more.

Cheers,

David

[Mechanic]

Hi Jason,

I don't have much in the way of reference material but I recently added a WW1 pair to my collection to Trooper William Staniforth who was killed on the date indicated in my reply. I've gained a lot of information just by searching through this forum which has helped a lot in researching his activities on the Western Front. Hope to learn more.

Cheers,

David

David what do you mean a WW1 pair?

[DavoT]

WW1 pair refers to his medal entitlement.

Cheers,

David

[Paul2212]

On 09/08/2010 at 20:06, Mechanic said:

Cheers Tom

Nice map thanks. That wood is now called Bois Poulet. I've checked Battleground Europe Monchy-le-Preux and there is a reference to an incident where the 13/Royal Scots watched a german patrol enter a YMCA tent in the Bois-de-Boeuf and then rake it with machine gun fire killing them all.

CSM Appleby Kia 9/4/1917 Bois de boeuf buried in tiloy cemetery 8th East York’s regiment. Do you have a date of the ambush? 
 

regards

paul

[Michelle Young]

@Mechanic hasn’t visited the forum since 2010. The tag might alert  them to your recent reply. 

[Paul2212]

37 minutes ago, Michelle Young said:

@Mechanic hasn’t visited the forum since 2010. The tag might alert  them to your recent reply. 

Thank you

[Michelle Young]

I will dig out my copy of Monchy later to see what’s what for you.

[Michelle Young]

It looks as though it was  28 March 1918

[Paul2212]

34 minutes ago, Michelle Young said:

It looks as though it was  28 March 1918

Thank you, after finding and reading the completion of the war diaries it seems Samuel fell when taking the area on the 9/4/1917 this thread has really helped with finding the location which is not very far from tilloy British cemetery 

[kenf48]

3 minutes ago, Paul2212 said:

Thank you, after finding and reading the completion of the war diaries it seems Samuel fell when taking the area on the 9/4/1917 this thread has really helped with finding the location which is not very far from tilloy British cemetery 

It is always worth checking the Brigade War Diary, if you have not already done so. This has extensive operation orders for the 9th April which was the first day of the Battle of Arras.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052965

Free to download if you register.

They include the maps used which can be downloaded from McMasters University or the National Library of Scotland, the latter allows you to do an overlay of Google Map.  They were 51B. N. 7.3 AND 51B.S 7.2. 1:10000

There is information on how to read a trench map on the Long Long Trail.

The 8th East Yorks were in 8th Brigade, 3rd Division therefore nothing to do with the Household Battalion.

 

[Paul2212]

47 minutes ago, kenf48 said:

It is always worth checking the Brigade War Diary, if you have not already done so. This has extensive operation orders for the 9th April which was the first day of the Battle of Arras.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052965

Free to download if you register.

They include the maps used which can be downloaded from McMasters University or the National Library of Scotland, the latter allows you to do an overlay of Google Map.  They were 51B. N. 7.3 AND 51B.S 7.2. 1:10000

There is information on how to read a trench map on the Long Long Trail.

The 8th East Yorks were in 8th Brigade, 3rd Division therefore nothing to do with the Household Battalion.

 

Hi Ken 

thank you for the link, I had only read the regiment war diaries so this will be new info.

regards

paul