Michael Pegum Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 This name appears on a Great War roll of honour in St. John's Cathedral, Sligo: "Lyons, H. H. Lieut. 3rd Ss.H., M.C." Lt. Lyons survived, so the CWGC list doesn't help, and I haven't been able to find the citation for his M.C. The unit wasn't 3rd (King's Own) Hussars. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Almost certainly a Colonial unit. My guess at the minute would be (Lord) Strathcona's Horse, but I'm not sure they carried a numbered prefix. I'll keep looking but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was an Indian Cavalry regiment. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Following the Indian Army hunch, maybe Skinner's Horse? Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 London Gazette This, at least confirms the Indian Army Cavalry hunch. But was it Skinners Horse? Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Here is a LG entry which shows HH Lyons MC was previously an officer with Connaught Rangers, and won the MC with them. Perhaps this might make tracing the LG entry for that a little easier. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Ancestry has an MIC for a Mention in Despatches. And also for a pair, which confirms Skinner's Horse. Don't have Ancestry? PM me and I'll email the images to you. Now, where's that MC notification? Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 2 August , 2010 Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Lt - Capt notification. Commanding a Squdron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Pegum Posted 2 August , 2010 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2010 Wow! That's impressive research! That's all I need. When I put someone on the 'Names' database on my website (see below) I include the regiment/service. All the Indian Army units are lumped together, so I can put him down as 'Indian Army'. Many thanks. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 3 August , 2010 Share Posted 3 August , 2010 Glad to have helped, Michael. I'm a great admirer of your website and have been for the last few years. Keep up the great work you do. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 3 August , 2010 Share Posted 3 August , 2010 Hello Michael and Nigel There were two cavalry regiments in the Indian Army with the Skinner's title: 1st Skinner's Horse and 3rd Skinner's Horse. They were both founded by (John?) Skinner but were otherwise separate regiments. IIRC there was also 2nd Gardner's Horse, and these three were the senior Indian cavalry regiments. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 3 August , 2010 Share Posted 3 August , 2010 Now, where's that MC notification? MC was listed in the London Gazette of 14th January 1916...http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29438/supplements/588. I could be wrong but I don't believe a citation was published in the Gazette as this issue was an extension of the "New Year's Honours". Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 3 August , 2010 Share Posted 3 August , 2010 Steve Citations for MC awards for specific acts of gallantry were often published in the ondon Gazette later than the entry making the actual award but you are right - the awards in the New Year and King's Birthday Honours, which were for generally good service over a period, rather than for specific acts, do not have detailed citations. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 3 August , 2010 Share Posted 3 August , 2010 Ron Thanks for the clarification. Although I knew what I meant, in hindsight, my post wasn't particularly clear. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhifle Posted 4 August , 2010 Share Posted 4 August , 2010 Hi, Some references to H H Lyons in the Connaught Rangers Cooke Richard Fitzgerald Lloyd, Henry Harvey Lyons, Frank Harry Bethell, and Eric Basil Francis Faithfull Cadets from OTC to be 2nd Lieutenants on probation with 3rd Special Reserve Battalion The Connaught Rangers 15 August 1914 2nd Lieutenant H H Lyons arrived at the 3rd Battalion The Connaught Rangers 25 Sept 1914 2nd Lieutenants Greeves, Bethell and H H Lyons attended an Officers Course of Instruction at Cork 1 Jan 1915 2nd Lieutenant H H Lyons, 2825 Sergeant John Grannell and Sergeant Little proceeded to Waterville to relieve 2nd Lieutenant Latham, 3008 Sergeant Patrick McDermott and 4037 Sergeant Francis Silke 1 Feb 1915 Notified in Fortress Orders that 2nd Lieutenant H H Lyons qualified at a Course of Instruction at Cork 6 Feb 1915 Lieutenant P Lambert proceeded to Waterville to take over command of the Detachment vice 2nd Lieutenant H H Lyons 17 March 1915 Lieutenant L N Aveling, 2nd Lieutenants W A Buchanan, J D’Arcy, E Faithfull, H H Lyons and F H Bethell left the 3rd Special Reserve Battalion Connaught Rangers and proceeded to join the Expeditionary Force 17 March 1915 Lieutenant H H Lyons was attached to the Royal Irish Regiment 2nd Lieutenants E D Greeves, H H Lyons, and Francis Robert S De La Cour to be Lieutenants 6 April 1915 Lieutenant H H Lyons attached Royal Irish Regiment. Awarded Military Cross 2nd Lieutenants Henry Harvey Lyons, Frank Harry Bethell and E B F Fathfull confirmed in their rank 30 May 1915 Lieutenant H H Lyons Awarded Regular commission as Lieutenant 17 March 1916 Lieutenant H H Lyons seconded for service with Indian Army 1 Jan 1918 These pictures are from 'The Connaught Rangers' by Jourdain & Fraser, I am not sure if they are the same man. The first is for Regular Battalions and the second for Reserve Battalions Regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew B. Posted 9 August , 2010 Share Posted 9 August , 2010 Henry Harvey Lyons Born 17th December 1883 Educated at Radley College From OTC to be 2nd Lieutenants on probation with 3rd Special Reserve Battalion The Connaught Rangers 15 August 1914 2nd Lieutenant H H Lyons left the 3rd Special Reserve Battalion Connaught Rangers and proceeded to join the Expeditionary Force 17 March 1915. Lieutenant H H Lyons was attached to the Royal Irish Regiment. Promoted Lieutenant 6 April 1915 2nd Lieutenants confirmed in their rank 30 May 1915 Lieutenant H H Lyons attached Royal Irish Regiment. Awarded Military Cross LG 14th January 1916 Lieutenant H H Lyons Awarded Regular commission as Lieutenant 17 March 1916 Lieutenant H H Lyons seconded for service with Indian Army (on probation) 17th Jan 1918 Attached to 3rd Skinners Horse 27th January 1918 A/Captain 16th April 1918 (whilst commanding a squardon) attached to 3rd Skinners Horse Confirmed Indian Army 5th November 1918 as a Lieutenant with senority from 1st September 1915 T/Captain 8th March 1919 Captain 15th May 1919 Mentioned in Despatches for 3rd Afghan war – LG 3rd October 1920. (The Skinners Horse history confuses this MID as a bar to his MC) In the January & April 1922 Indian Army Lists he was attached to the Cavalry School at Saugor but had returned to the regiment by the July 1922 IAL. Retired 10th October 1922 He has no surviving Officers Record of Service in the India Office files at the British Library. A lot of officers left the Indian Army with the 1922 reforms which roughly halfed the number of Indian cavalry regiments. I don’t know what happened after that, however in my April 1947 Army List, under General List – Regular Army Emergency Comissions – African Colonial Forces section we have an entry for a H. H. Lyons, M.C., comissioned 2/Lt 15th May 1940, appointed War Substantive Captain 1st February 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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