Capt Alfred Pelly White DSO

[mhifle]

Hi,

I have also found this in The Times 15 Sept 1909

LG Sept 14 1909

In accordance with with the provisions of paragraph 66b, Regulations for the Special Reserve granted seniority in his present rank from date shown:

4th East Surrey Reg:- Lieut A White (Aug1, 1899)

Which would be strange just after being made Bankrupt

Regards Mark

[corisande]

1909 Nov 30. 4th Battalion, The East Surrey Regiment, The undermentioned Lieutenants to be Captains:— Alfred White. Gazette (an Army List gives him as employed 19 Bn Manchester Reg on this date)

I agree it would have been strange, as it would have been to promote him.

But equally well it would have been strange for two "Alfred White"s in 4th East Surrey, specially as "our" man had the Philip which he was not using

[David_Underdown]

Hopefully the photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/11226331@N05/sets/72157624421482363/ of various pages of his service record in WO 339/9551 will help clear matters up.

[chrisharley9]

Thanks very much David for all of your help; I will put in hand action to get his CWGC entry changed as it is obviously incorrect

Chris

[chrisharley9]

My link

Gentlemen his grave has been found; thanks to everyone involved especially David Underdown

[mhifle]

Hi,

These help a lot with his early career.

3rd Battalion, the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment), Alfred White, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 23 March 1900.

London Times, 16 Apr 01 (Tuesday)

The Manhattan left yesterday evening from Albert Docks for South Africa. She carried 4 companies of M I and 357 remounts besides the following officers:

Northumberland Fusiliers – Lieutenant- Colonel W H Sitwell, commanding

Derbyshire – Lieutenant & Adjutant H F Watson, Lieutenant the Hon. H W W Horsley-Beresford

W Riding – 2/Lieutenant & Quartermaster A White

6/Manchester – Major A H Bayley

Highland Light Infantry – Captain R W Ronaldson, Lieutenant K L Buist, 2/Lieutenant O Stevenson-Hamilton

Lancashire Fusiliers – Captain H O Bishop

R Fusiliers – Captain H Newenham

Shropshire Light Infantry – Lieutenant C A Wilkinson, Lieutenant P C Huth

Dublin Fusiliers – Lieutenant A C Taylor

KRRC – Lieutenant H Wake

R Scots – Lieutenant L K Smith

4/Essex – Lieutenant E C Watson

She will call at Queenstown for 150 additional remounts.

3rd Battalion, the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment), The under mentioned Second Lieutenants to be Lieutenants :—A. White. Dated 4th February, 1902

4th East Surrey Regiment - Lieutenant A White from 3rd Battalion the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment), to be Lieutenant 12 Aug 1904

Regards Mark

[Stebie9173]

From the July 1911 Army List:

East Surrey Regiment

4th battalion

Captains

White, A. (Hon. Lt. in Army 11 May. 02)(H) 30 Nov.09

Marked with crossed swords and p.s.*

Under the 4th battalion heading the following is noted:

Officers serving on 25Sept.02 in the corresponding Militia unit hold honorary Army rank equivalent to the Militia regimental rank they then held. Other officers entitled to honor ary Army rank have it shown against their names.

* Abbreviations from Army List

(Crossed swords) Officer serving with Special Reserve of Officers, Territorial Force, Reserve of Officers, &c, who has War Service.

p.s. Subaltern or Captain (other than of Artillery) who has passed School of Instruction for rank of Field Officer, or, in the case of Infantry, has been attached to Regular Forces and obtained a satisfactory report for rank of Field Officer; or Medical Officer who has obtained a satisfactory report after 14 days' attendance at the Depot, R.A. Med. Corps, orat a selected Military Hospital; or Veterinary Officer who has obtained a satisfactory report after 14 days' attendance at a Veterinary School, or attachment to a Mounted Unit of the Regular Forces.

(H) Officer of the Special Reserve of Officers, Militia, Territorial Force, or Volunteers qualified at a School of Musketry.

Steve.

[NigelS]

I have now visited Kingston Cemetery, but unfortunately White's grave is unmarked. However, the detailed cemetery plans which are held by the office confirm that White's grave (A220) is, as would be expected (from experience it's not always the case!), next to grave A219; this is that of Maud Sara Gaze which does have a memorial and is shown to the left of the photo (although not easily readable in this reduced size photo, the surround is marked with A219 in its right hand corner). Note that there is then a further unmarked plot (A221) to end this row, with the grave to the right of that orientated at right angles as part of a row facing outwards to, and along, the plot's perimeter path.

The cemetery records, which are available on line, show that White's mother, who died in 1930, is also buried in the same grave:

Alfred P White

Here

&

Here

Johanna White-Purcell

Here

&

Here

The grave is in plot '8' (also known as 'A General (non Church of England)') on This plan and, when going towards the war memorial & crematorium from the main entrance, this is on the left hand side adjacent to the chapel/gateway.

The online records for this cemetery are very good, and the chap I spoke to in the office was also extremely helpful.

NigelS