gatenby Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 He was a hospital blue when he met my Grandma, at Southport Convalescent hospital and sea bathing Infirmary "Sea air and bathing to aid the recovery of the sick" I think this suggests he was there due to breathing problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 When I bought the medal card download from The National Archives online there was another Charles David McCarthy card on the same sheet and I assumed the two cards were just a copy of the front and the back of the same card, as they were both mentioning the ASC. Is this likely to be the case? Or are they more likely two different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 23 June , 2010 Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Two different people in all probability. National Archives didn't scan the backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Thanks. That clears up the confusion then. We don't have any date for entry into theatre of war or any code. Nor did he win the 1914 star for service in France! Back to square one! He spent 4 years 39 days embodied service and we only know about one year 212 days in Salonika! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 23 June , 2010 Admin Share Posted 23 June , 2010 The other site scanned the backs, the back of the card you posted above is blank. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Thanks. have just joined it and had a look. That clears that up! Mum confirms he was living in Mosside in Manchester. He joined up at 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 23 June , 2010 Admin Share Posted 23 June , 2010 AVL = Absent Voters List http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/avl.htm As mentioned in the other thread he would have to be 21 in 1918 to be on the AVL Struggling a bit with the Manchester connection why couldn't it be Bury This site lists the units of the TF http://www.warpath.orbat.com/regts/aa_index.htm click on the regiment and you can see where formed In addition to three Lancashire Regiments there is also the Manchester Regiment, additional information about their Territorial Bn are here http://www.tameside.gov.uk/museumsgallerie...ritorial1914#15 As he didn't go overseas until 1916 he may have remained in the UK with the second line (how old was he? Territorials could enlist at 17 but were not eligible for overseas service until 19) and at some point he was posted/volunteered for the ASC.As mentioned in the other thread he would have to be 21 in 1918 to be on the AVL Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 23 June , 2010 Admin Share Posted 23 June , 2010 The mist is clearing a little - see post on original thread So when was he 19? He probably went overseas after his 19th birthday Incidentally is that definitely '1917' in the original? I also found this http://www.hastingleigh.com/hast-mem-youngaw.html scroll down and it mentions a convalescent hospital in Malta for a malaria casualty from Salonica together with an interesting letter from his parents that helps explain the process. Ken EDIT Sorry managed to blow it up and it is 1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 24 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2010 He was born 1.2.1897 he enlisted in the TA 19.1.1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 24 June , 2010 Admin Share Posted 24 June , 2010 Applying the Regulations (and the Army was pretty good at applying the regulations ). The earliest date he was eligible to be sent overseas was 1st February 1916 which fits with the medal index card entitlements. In turn this means he was not in the original draft of the first four Divisions sent to Salonika (though he could have been a replacement in those Divisions - but there were not a lot of initial casualties), or he went with either the 27th or 60th Division - not an exact science, but a working hypothesis. See again http://www.1914-1918.net/salonika.htm By 1916 County associations were breaking down and men were sent where they were needed. Whether he transferred to the ASC before he was 19, or when posted overseas we'll probably never know. I would imagine as a young teenager he found 2nd line duties in the TF a bit boring. Incidentally you may be interested in this digital book 'Malta The Nurse of the Mediterranean' for an insight into his time there http://www.archive.org/details/maltanurseofmedi00mackuoft Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 25 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 25 June , 2010 Thanks Ken, we are getting closer! Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 29 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 29 June , 2010 I know he had a war disability pension, but he is not showing up in any searches, can anyone tell me why please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatenby Posted 7 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 7 July , 2010 I have had someone check the SWB medal roll and Kew for a fee and they have sent me his page copied showing he had badge B171. I have still been unable to trace any evdence of this within the family and my mum does not ever remember seeing it. He was discharged on 12/9/18 age 21 and 8 months as unfit for service - sickness. Apparently they did have an Army pension but I have still not found any evidence of that at all in any searches. Any ideas where I could look from here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peridot Posted 8 July , 2010 Share Posted 8 July , 2010 Hi again Latestarter Can only suggest for now the local newspapers for round about the date of discharge. Peridot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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