1st and 2nd Connaught Rangers Service NUmber dates

[corisande]

OK, I know when I am beaten

I am trying to construct a "crib sheet" so that I can see the likely date of a man's enlistment from his service number - and I do appreciate that it is an inexact science. I am trying to put an enlistment date against Irish Brigade men, so that I can see where they are likely to be in the censuses.

I have managed with most of the regiments, but I am struggling with the Connaught Rangers and have only managed a small list of dates and service numbers, and even that looks illogical. I suspect I am mixing chalk with cheese here.

4872 joined in Aug 1894

6937 joined in Oct 1900

7644 joined in Dec 1902

8243 joined in August 1904

8778 joined in Nov 1905

10123 joined in Feb 1911

10664 joined in Mar 1913

Has anyone, I suspect Mark has, a list of enlistment date against service number

[mhifle]

Hi,

This is what I have for the 1st & 2nd (Regular Battalions), the other Battalions each have their own sequence of regimental numbers.

I am not quite sure what is going on with the numbers in 1918+.

Regards Mark

CONNAUGHT RANGERS

1st & 2nd (Regular Battalions)

8 1881 July 13

9 1881 July

17 1881 July

96 1884 May 8

934 1884 July 28

1748 1885 Aug

1887 1885 Nov

1893 1885

1997 1886 Jan 21

2225 1886 Aug

2322 1886 Sept

2727 1887 Nov 2

2792 1888 Jan

2795 1888 Jan

2824 1888 Feb 14

2830 1888 Feb

2831 1888 Feb

2839 1888 March

2984 1888 July

2988 1888 July

3013 1888 July

3055 1889

3116 1888 Aug

3298 1888 Dec 5

3378 1889 Jan 20

3447 1889 Feb

3486 1889 July

3640 1890 Feb

3735 1890 May

3771 1890 July

3906 1891 Jan

3922 1891 Jan

3949 1891 March

4048 1892 Jan

4083 1892 Feb

4100 1892 May

4121 1892 Feb 16

4218 1892 June 7

4238 1892 July

4259 1892 Aug 12

4343 1892 Oct 28

4458 1893 Jan

4493 1893 Feb 25

4541 1892 Nov 4

4542 1893 March 3

4552 1893 July 5

4624 1893 Sept

4681 1893 Sept 23

4705 1893 Jan

4738 1893 Aug

4739 1893 Oct

4744 1893 Dec

4767 1894 Jan

4824 1894 Feb

4843 1894 March

4844 1894 March 12

4846 1894 March

4857 1894 March 27

4920 1894

4928 1894 July

4933 1894 July

4972 1894 Aug 3

5134 1894 Dec 3

5246 1895 Jan

5251 1895 Jan

5391 1895 May 14

5451 1895 July 9

5650 1896 Feb

5660 1896 March 2

5911 1897 Jan

5959 1897 July

6096 1897

6109 1897 June 7

6115 1897 June

6127 1897 June 28

6218 1897 Oct

6342 1898 Jan 12

6420 1898 Aug 5

6476 1898 Oct

6552 1898 Dec 19

6600 1899

6603 1899 March

6605 1899 April 12

6606 1899 April

6607 1899 July 24

6622 1899 Oct 24

6632 1899 Feb 2

6754 1899 Oct

6755 1899 Oct 24

6834 1900 Feb 26

6988 1900 Nov

7010 1900 Dec 10

7144 1901 July

7275 1901 Dec 1

7500 1902 Aug 19

7595 1902 Oct 29

7611 1902 Nov

7635 1902 Dec 4

7668 1903 Jan 31

7992 1903 Oct 13

7960 1903 Oct

8076 1903 Dec 24

8194 1904 Apr 20

8246 1904 Sept 9

8250 1904 Oct

8596 1905 Sept 15

8778 1905 Nov 15

8745 1906 Oct

8989 1907 Jan

9048 1907 Jan 16

9104 1907 April 10

9124 1907 May 28

9315 1908 Feb 2

9465 1908 Oct 12

9576 1909 Jan 4

9907 1910 Jan 2

10011 1910 May 7

10041 1910 Oct 11

10057 1910 Oct 22

10061 1910 Oct 28

10117 1911 Jan 16

10125 1911 Feb

10132 1911 Feb 2

10145 1911 March 14

10148 1911 March 23

10152 1911 March 23

10219 1911 Aug 17

10222 1911 Aug 16

10223 1911 Oct 11

10230 1911 Aug 18

10253 1911 Oct

10261 1911 Oct 7

10266 1911

10268 1911 Oct 16

10307 1911 Nov

10309 1911 Nov 29

10412 1912 March 4

10446 1912 May

10448 1912

10467 1912 23 July

10644 1913 Feb 24

10666 1912

10753 1913 Oct 3

10762 1913 Oct 13

10773 1913 Oct 27

10780 1913

10813 1914 Aug

10905 1914 March 18

10941 1914 May 11

10988 1914 Aug 18

20354 1914 Oct 2

11009 1914 Dec

11092 1915 Feb

11104 1915 May 20

11171 1915 Nov 9

11228 1916 Aug 7

11286 1917 Jan 2

11347 1917 Oct 19

15205 1918 Sept 17

15206 1918 Sept 21

18244 1918

32045 1918 Feb 8

32049 1918 Oct 12

32199 1918 Apr 30

32286 1918 Aug 4

32527 1919 Sept 11

32657 1919 Oct 10

7143486 1920 July 8

[corisande]

Mark

Thanks

I had the right sort of progression, what threw me was that recruiting for the Connaught Rangers seems to have dropped from about 350 men a year to 250 men a year around 1903.

But your very detailed figures confirm this.

I am not about to write a mathematical thesis on the comparative recruitment into Irish regiments, but a check against the Dublins and the Munsters, does not seem to have this dip in recruitment.

I guess one of those odd points of interest that come up from time to time

[mhifle]

Hi,

This drop in recruiting may have been a result of the the end of the Boer War?

Regards Mark

[Patrick ODwyer]

Not sure this is quite in sequence but my grandfather was

8691 enlisted 8 December 1905

[mhifle]

Hi,

Thanks for that.

I think it gets out of sequence sometimes when someone is transferred from another regiment when serving oversea's.

Regards Mark

[corisande]

This drop in recruiting may have been a result of the the end of the Boer War?

Obvious when one thinks about it !

[Hedley Malloch]

7010 was Private Matthew Wilson of the 2nd CR. At 36 he was the oldest of the eleven British soldiers executed by the Germans at Guise Chateau on 25 February 1915. Do you have any further details about him other than the date of his enlistement?

Many thanks

[archangel9]

7010 Mathew Wilson was reported missing in the Times edition of 9th October 1914, along with a large number of others who were taken prisoner at Le Grand Fayt. His MIC says deceased 26/8/1914, which of course he wasn't. There are 25 pages of service records on Ancestry. He was from Fohena, Ahescgragh in Galway. I haven't checked the records yet so I don't know what further information is there.

John

[corisande]

Its how you spell "Matthew" or "Mathew" as to whether you find this sort of record.

Its always worth using the wild card operator, or phonetic matches on Ancestry searches like that. Particularly where Irish accents are involved.

[Patrick ODwyer]

Mark

In my grandad's case he enlisted directly into the CR at Clonmel on 8 December 1905. That is why I was a bit cautious about his numbrer in the light of that list. He later tansferred in India.

[mhifle]

7010 was Private Matthew Wilson of the 2nd CR. At 36 he was the oldest of the eleven British soldiers executed by the Germans at Guise Chateau on 25 February 1915. Do you have any further details about him other than the date of his enlistement?

Many thanks

Hi,

This is from his service record

Regards Mark

7010 Private Mathew Wilson

Attested aged 18 at Depot Galway 10 Dec 1900 (Labourer) (Serving 5th Battalion Connaught Rangers)

Deserted from Depot 24 Jan 1901

Rejoined Depot from desertion 4 March 1901

Posted to Details 22 Aug 1901 (12th Provisional Battalion)

Appointed Lance Corporal 1902

Reverted to permanent rank for misconduct missing date?

Granted Good Conduct Badge missing date?

Posted to 2nd Battalion 28 Nov 1903

Extended service to complete 8 years 1 April 1904

Granted Service Class Pay II 1 April 1904

Granted 2nd Good Conduct Badge 10 Dec 1905

Granted Service Class Pay I 10 Dec 1905

Appointed unpaid Lance Corporal 7 Sept 1906

Appointed paid Lance Corporal 14 Nov 1906

Reverted to Private 1 Feb 1907

missing comment? 6 March 1908

missing comment? 13 Nov 1908

missing comment? 9 Dec 1908

missing comment 11 ? 1909

Re engaged Sec D 18 June 1912

Mobilized Galway 7 Aug1914

Posted 2nd Battalion 7 Aug 1914

Missing (Regarded as dead) (26Aug 1914 crossed out.) 28 Feb 1915 added

Home 11 Dec 1900 to 30 Feb 1902

Cape 31 May 1902 to 27 Nov 1903

India 28 Nov 1903 to 3 Dec 1908

Home 4 Dec 1908 to 12 Aug 1914

BEF France 13 Aug 1914 to 26 Aug 19154

3rd Class Certificate of Education 26 Dec 1904

2nd Class Certificate of Education 27 July 1906

Awarded Nursing Certificate at Poona 26 May 1905

Father Mathew

Mother Mary

Brother John

Sister Kathleen

[Hedley Malloch]

Mark,

Many thanks for this. I am so short of personal details for all these men.

Regards

Hedley