Harland and Wolf, Liverpool

[deano]

Tap in 'Roll of Honour', 'Buy it now' on * bay,

Harland and Wolf, Liverpool Roll of Honour 1912 - 1919.

There is free delivery.

Dean.

ps, is there a list of names for that memorial any where?

[ianw]

Being sold by an architectural salvage company that can't spell very well.

I suppose the Titanic connection makes them think that the price is justified and leads them to put 1912 as a date in the description - although the pics on the auction site suggest that it is a 1914-1919 memorial. It does not make clear if H&W employees lost on the Totanic are listed on the memorial. I suppose not otherwise they would be shown

Sad that it has left the ship-yard. I wonder when this happened.

I note that they also have the Belfast yard gate pillars weighing in at 4 tonnes and up for a fiver short of £150k BIN !!

So is there a well-heeled Titanic collector with $300k to spend. I can think of one with a few quid spare after the success of "Avatar".

[Ian Riley]

It appears to be unrecorded in the UKNIWM (as also pointed out to me by Daggers - Edit) and I assume was probably moved to Northern Ireland (it's on sale from Antrim) when the H&W premises in Liverpool (at the Bootle end of the Dock Road, I understand) closed. I will ask the UKNIWM co-ordinator for Merseyside what he knows about it.

Monday may see a call to H&W and to the Liverpool Daily Post. From a call this evening to a friend in Belfast, it seems that H&W is essentially in the ownership of Fred Olsen (not exactly a bunch of out and out asset strippers, I would have thought) but who are seemingly disposing of some of the H&W spare estate in Belfast. Perhaps someone in Northern Ireland (or elsewhere) could comment.

Ian

Edited 14 March , 2010 by Ian Riley

[Michael Pegum]

This memorial can have nothing whatever to do with the Titanic!

1. The Titanic was built in Belfast, not Liverpool.

2. The men who went down with the Titanic were not war casualties, because it (she) sank in 1912.

3. This is a 1914-1918 war memorial.

It's a crazy price. Why would anyone pay that much?

Michael

[Ian Riley]

Correct on all counts, Michael.

Will be interested to hear if H&W can give me an account of how it has moved from their Liverpool premises (I don't know what the scope of the operation was there but probably repair, certainly not ship-building) and into the salvage market. Possible scenario as suggested above.

Ian

[barrieduncan]

Sad thing is, anything related to the Titanic (even remotely, if even) commands huge sums of money down to 'collectors' who simply have money to burn. Anything H&W related will command big bucks, as does anything from the White Star Line. To quote Metallica....Sad but True!

[Ian Riley]

A very helpful gentleman at Harland and Wolff in Belfast told me this morning that they were aware that this memorial was up for sale a few years ago and it attracted some attention in the press at that stage. They are unaware of how it came into his possession and to be fair, the present configuration of the firm, owned by Fred Olsen, with a few hundred employees is not the massively resourced company that it once was.

They had then offered to give the memorial a home in the existing Belfast yard with their other memorials which are the focus of their acts of remembrance. The vendor had apparently agreed to this ("nothing to do with the money ... merely seeking a good home ... etc") and then went silent and inactive, with the memorial disappearing from the market.

I have passed this to the Liverpool Daily Post and might put the Belfast Telegraph in the frame (unless someone can advise on a better press contact). I would not be too hopeful of a positive outcome and unfortunately I do not have the time for any sustained lobbying at the moment.

Ian

[Brian Curragh]

Ian

The Belfast Telegraph should be worth a call - there's little enough left of Harland & Wolff now - the yard is a very depressing empty space - so we could do without "salvage" people selling more bits off into private collections.

Regards

Brian