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ianjonesncl

What was the medal entitlement for soldiers who only served within the UK?

According to The British campaign medals of 1914-1918 the qualification for the British War Medal states "essentially the requirement was that a member of the fighting forces had to leave his native shore in any part of the British Empire while on service"

If a soldier did not leave his native shore ie UK then he would not have received the BWM?

If the UK was not a "Theater of War" , then the Victory Medal would not have been awarded ?

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centurion

I've often thought the rule hard on men manning coastal artillery who might find themselves exchanging fire with German battlecruisers. Were British coastal waters a theatre of war?. Some of those men in small ships fighting U boats not to mention storms etc might well think themselves more in a theatre of war than some base wallah at Etaples

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Chris_Baker

If he served in the UK only, he was not eligible for any campaign medal.

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ianjonesncl
I've often thought the rule hard on men manning coastal artillery who might find themselves exchanging fire with German battlecruisers. Were British coastal waters a theatre of war?. Some of those men in small ships fighting U boats not to mention storms etc might well think themselves more in a theatre of war than some base wallah at Etaples

Centurion

The Coastal Artillery is a good point.

The first British casualties on British soil were I believe from the Durham Royal Garrison Artillery manning the Heugh Battery in Hartlepool and members of a guard force from the Durham Light Infantry. These Soldiers from the information in Chris Baker's post would have not been entitled to any medals.

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rksimpson

Hi all

and I think that is sad - they should have all been acknowledged for their effort

regards

Robert

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Ken Lees

If we are talking about the British Army, then no medals for serving at home throughout, but I believe that soldiers from the Commonwealth who arrived in the UK but didn't reach a theatre of war were entitled to medals.

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27thBN
If we are talking about the British Army, then no medals for serving at home throughout, but I believe that soldiers from the Commonwealth who arrived in the UK but didn't reach a theatre of war were entitled to medals.

Yes i have an Aussie soldier who went to UK in 1916 .got sick before going to france and then injured in an accident ,recovered sentt home and got a WW1 pair not bad effort

MC

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alf mcm

'The Coastal Artillery is a good point.

The first British casualties on British soil were i believe from the Durham Royal Garrison Artillery manning the Heugh Battery in Hartlepool and members of a guard force from the Durham Light Infantry. These Soldiers from the information in Chris Baker's post would have not been entitled to any medals.'

Would anyone know the names of these men, so that their medal record cards could be checked to confirm they did not get medals? Perhaps they were entitled to them for being injured through enemy action.

Regards,

Alf McM

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Jim Strawbridge
If we are talking about the British Army, then no medals for serving at home throughout, but I believe that soldiers from the Commonwealth who arrived in the UK but didn't reach a theatre of war were entitled to medals.

Certainly the case with Canadians who were awarded the BWM if arrived on British soil.

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ianjonesncl

List of those killed in the Hartlepools

Servicemen

Corporal Liddle 18th Batt. Durham L.I.

Private T. Jones 18th Batt. Durham L.I.

Private L. Turner 18th Batt. Durham L.I.

Private W. Rogers 18th Batt. Durham L.I.

Private T. Minks 18th Batt. Durham L.I.

Gunner Houston Durham R.G.A.

Gunner Spence Durham R.G.A.

Sapper Little Durham Royal Engineers

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alf mcm
Centurion

The Coastal Artillery is a good point.

The first British casualties on British soil were i believe from the Durham Royal Garrison Artillery manning the Heugh Battery in Hartlepool and members of a guard force from the Durham Light Infantry. These Soldiers from the information in Chris Baker's post would have not been entitled to any medals.

Thanks for the names Ian,

The mrc for T. Minks 18/328 D.L.I. shows that he died of wounds on 17/12/14, perhaps as a result of the enemy attack. He was awarded the British Victory Medal. Perhaps there are others who got medals.

Regards,

Alf McM

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alf mcm

Also Walter Rogers 18/369 D.L.I. k.i.a. 16/12/14. Awarded Victory Medal.

Regards,

Alf McM

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Verrico2009

Name: William Stephen Houston

Birth Place: Middlesbrough

Residence: West Hartlepool

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Rank: Gunner

Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery

Battalion: Durham. [RGA - (TF)]

Number: 5693

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

Awarded the BWM. The note says: "[A.C.] Durham RGM [fwds] roll of men on duty 15 12/14. Eligible BWM"

Name: Alex Olliffe Liddle

Birth Place: Darlington

Residence: Darlington

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Rank: Private

Regiment: Durham Light Infantry

Battalion: 18th Battalion.

Number: 18/107

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

BWM. Note: "killed at West Hartlepool 16-12-14 H.O."

Name: Theophilis Jones

Birth Place: Darlington

Residence: West Hartlepool

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Rank: Private

Regiment: Durham Light Infantry

Battalion: 18th Battalion.

Number: 18/295

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

BWM

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Chris_Baker

Very interesting. Seems that a regulation might have allowed men killed on active service at home to be given the BWM. But why that and not the VM, which would seem to me to be more appropriate? Our forebears were every bit as peculiar as us.

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Verrico2009

Yes, someone must have decided that since they'd given their lives for their country they should be recognised. Wonder why the BWM?

Thought I'd carry on identifying these chaps for possible future reference:-

Name: Leslie Dobson Turner

Birth Place: Heaton, Newcastle

Residence: Newcastle-On-Tyne

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Enlistment Location: Rowlands Gill, CO. Durham

Rank: Private

Regiment: Durham Light Infantry

Battalion: 18th Battalion.

Number: 18/398

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

BWM - "KinA at West Hartlepool 16/12/14".

Name: Robert Spence

Birth Place: Hartlepool

Residence: W. Hartlepool

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery

Battalion: Durham. [RGA - (TF)]

Number: 15428

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

Can't get a fix on him with that number.

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ianjonesncl
Very interesting. Seems that a regulation might have allowed men killed on active service at home to be given the BWM. But why that and not the VM, which would seem to me to be more appropriate? Our forebears were every bit as peculiar as us.

Chris

Would the entry "[A.C.] Durham RGM [fwds] roll of men on duty 15 12/14. Eligible BWM" indicate that it was all those engaged in the action, not just those who were killed ?

It may be difficult to establish as many of the men from the Hartlepool Battery would go on to serve overseas in other units.

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Verrico2009

And finally, I think "Little" must be this man, though the date of death is earlier than the others:-

Name: Samuel Little

Birth Place: Jarrow-On-Tyne, CO. Durham

Residence: Jarrow-On-Tyne, CO. Durham

Death Date: 7 Dec 1914

Rank: SPR.

Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers

Number: 558

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theatre of War: Home

Comments: 1/2Nd Durham Fort. Coy., R.E.

BWM again. Note simply: "deceased".

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ianjonesncl
Theatre of War: Home

BWM - "KinA at West Hartlepool 16/12/14".

Name: Robert Spence

Birth Place: Hartlepool

Residence: W. Hartlepool

Death Date: 16 Dec 1914

Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery

Battalion: Durham. [RGA - (TF)]

Number: 15428

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theatre of War: Home

Can't get a fix on him with that number.

From CWGC his number is recorded as 5428

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Verrico2009

Thought it was something like that: that was from the SDGW section.

BWM. Identical note about the roll being forwarded in identical handwriting.

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Chris_Baker
Would the entry "[A.C.] Durham RGM [fwds] roll of men on duty 15 12/14. Eligible BWM" indicate that it was all those engaged in the action, not just those who were killed ?

It would seem to imply that. But one thing I have learned from military records, put simply, is "don't trust anything until you see it with your own eyes". :lol:

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alf mcm

My apologies,

Thomas Minks and Walter Rogers were in fact awarded the War Medal, not the Victory Medal, as I stated previously.

Regards,

Alf McM

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ianjonesncl

Many thanks to everyone for the replies.

Alf /Verrico thanks for the work on the Hartlepool casualties.

Once again fourum pals have found a new piece of information.

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SFayers

There's been some interesting posts on this subject on the British Medals Forum. Until reading these I too was under the impression a man had to leave the shores of his native country [uK or Commonwealth] to be entitled to a BWM - but it seems there were exceptions: RN personnel on active service in British ports for a certain length of time (can't remember exactly off-hand); at least some coastal artillery personnel who came under fire during the German naval bombardments (as above, the RGA at Hartlepool being the most commonly mentioned - but I suppose the same would apply to other localities with coastal batteries that were bombarded).

The other folk I often wonder about are the home-based RFC / RAF personnel who were involved in combating the Zeppelin and bomber raids over the UK - I haven't as yet come across references to these chaps being awarded BWMs. Has anyone come across these before?

cheers

Steve

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ianjonesncl
And finally, I think "Little" must be this man, though the date of death is earlier than the others:-

Name: Samuel Little

Birth Place: Jarrow-On-Tyne, CO. Durham

Residence: Jarrow-On-Tyne, CO. Durham

Death Date: 7 Dec 1914

Rank: SPR.

Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers

Number: 558

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theatre of War: Home

Comments: 1/2Nd Durham Fort. Coy., R.E.

BWM again. Note simply: "deceased".

He is recorded on CWGC with a date of death 17/12/1914 which would seem correct

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clive_hughes

All those dying in the UK whilst in the Services or as a result of wounds or sickness attributable to war service should also have got the Memorial Plaque & Scroll.

Another category I've thought of - maybe answer is easy - the soldiers killed in the Easter Rising in Dublin 1916? Ireland counted as "Home" officially, but did those men get any medal?

LST_164

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