HM Ships and Shore Establishments

[Crab]

On my great uncles service records, a significant number of ship's/ establishments between 1922 and 1928 that he served on, have double name entries eg

HMS Dido (Strurdy)

HMS Dido (Ursula)

HMS Dido (Saladin)

HMS Dido (Toreador)

HMS Dido (Stronghold)

HMS Dido (Torbay)

HMS's Columbine, Greenwich and Victory II all with (Vendetta) after them.

HMS Dryad (Alresford)

HMS Egmont 2 (Amazon)

As there are more of his records to come (post service records transferring to cards 1 Jan 1929) from naval records, is there a basic means of interpreting these types of service record entries

I have ploughed through many previous records enquiries but couldn't find a common previous post.

[per ardua per mare per terram]

His Majesty's Ship Dido was a destroyer depot ship, not a Shore Establishment. There are several threads both on depot ships as a whole and Dido, Columbine, and Greenwich. Victory II was a Shore Establishment connected to Portsmouth. Destroyers were too small to carry dedicated admin staff or carry long term stores, so they operated from depot ships. So he for example served on HMS Ursula, but his admin (pay, mail etc) was handled by HMS Dido. HMS Alresford was a minesweeper, the rest were destroyers.

HMS Alresford http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/aber...HMS%20Alresford

HMS Amazon http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/trib...tm#HMS%20Amazon

HMS Sturdy http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/old_...tm#HMS%20Sturdy

HMS Saladin http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/old_...m#HMS%20Saladin

HMS Stronghold http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/old_...MS%20Stronghold

HMS Toreador http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/old_...#HMS%20Toreador

HMS Torbay http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/old_...tm#HMS%20Torbay

HMS Ursula http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/dest...before_1900.htm use Ctrl 'F' to find her.

Pictires of HMS Vendetta's sister ships http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/escort_v+w_class.htm

"The sixth “CLYDE” is a 6-gun sloop which was launched at Glagow as the “Wild Swan” in 1876. She is of 1130 tons, 950 horse-power, and 11 knots speed. Her length, beam, and draught were 170ft., 36ft., and 15ft. Her name was subsequently to “Clyde,” and she became the Royal Naval Reserve drill ship at Aberdeen. In 1912 her name was again changed, this time to “Columbine,” and she became the depot vessel of the King’s Harbour Master at Rosyth, and then the flagship of the Vice-Admiral commanding the Scottish Coast."

No picture of her, but some of her sister ships http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/naval_sloops_.htm

HMS Dido http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_dido1.htm

HMS Dryad http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/r_n_gunboats.htm use Ctrl 'F' to find her.

HMS Egmont 2 was part of the establishment at Malta

[Crab]

To per ardua

My indebted thanks for the most comprehensive explanation of the ships versus depot ships versus shore establishments which my great uncle's records posed me.

Regards

Crab

[Guest bishops12]

My Uncle Thomas Francis Beck was in the navy from 1900 to 1925 on various ships. From 8-10-1921 to 29-7-23 he was a Chief Petty Officer on HMS Egmont which I believe was in Malta. He was stated in the London Gazette to have been mentioned in despatches on 17-5-1918. I am trying to find out what happened so that I can insert it into my family tree. But he was on HMS Europa 1 from 1-4-1917 to 21-7-1919 and a Petty Officer. On a record I have found it said that he was on Egmont when mentioned in despatches. So there must be an error on this somewhere although the above information is taken from his service record. I would be grateful for any info on this. Also when in Malta he joined the Masonic Lodge there. How can I find out about this. Cheers. SBeck

[horatio2]

His 'mention' was 'for services on the Mediterranean Station' over a period of time, not for a specific event. When awarded, he was serving as a Petty Officer in the depot ship HMS EUROPA in the Aegean. I can see nothing in his record to link an MiD to his time in HMS EGMONT 3 to 5 years later.