Arnhem44 Posted 7 March , 2010 Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Hi everyone,would anyone have any information on this boat,these two casualties are buried in my local graveyard,initially I thought they may of been brothers but found out later that they were not related,I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the boat,did it sink or was it just damaged and so on,any help would be very much appreciated. http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2743817 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2743818 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterlad2 Posted 7 March , 2010 Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Hi Arnhem On naval history site both men are listed as Drowned. Edit: Also notice that Morning Star IV is described as a hired net drifter / minesweeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost in Tilloy Posted 7 March , 2010 Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Hi Arnhem "British Vessels Lost at Sea 1914-18" lists two lost vessels of that name, neither of which match the dates of the casualties: a. "Morning Star": Hired Drifter, 97 tonns, lost 08/01/1916, sunk by mine off Brindisi. b. "Morning Star" (motor): 129 tonns, lost 12/11/1917 10 miles S.E. from Cape Barfleur, captured by submarine then bombed. Regards LIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 7 March , 2010 Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Morning Star IV survived the war, serving from May 1915 to 1919. Admiralty No. 2903, Port No. BCK.201[buckie], completed 1907, 84 tons gross, 1x6 pounder gun, Net, minesweeper. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost in Tilloy Posted 7 March , 2010 Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Found another reference this time to a Hired Drifter called "Morning Star IV." It was in the book British Warships 1914-1919." This boat was a mine sweeper in service from May 1915 to 1919." LIT OOPs, David just beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnhem44 Posted 7 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2010 Thanks for the reply lads,thats great.As a guess the two Bowie men must of been lost through some accident involving minesweeping and based out of Queenstown(now Cobh),would a boat of this nature have many crew?.A recent book called Secret Victory,Ireland and the war at sea mentioned many minesweepers and the actions they undertook but I don't recall the Morning Star IV been mentioned which is a pity. Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2010 Share Posted 8 March , 2010 There was also a Schoner Morning Star which was driven on to a reef of rocks in the storm off Dunabrattin Head, becoming a total wreck some two hours afterwards but this was in September 1917. Perhaps this is a different ship? Regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterlad2 Posted 8 March , 2010 Share Posted 8 March , 2010 ......... would a boat of this nature have many crew? Brendan I've seen examples of Drifters being lost with all hands. The crew totals were 10 to 14 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 8 March , 2010 Share Posted 8 March , 2010 ...these two casualties are buried in my local graveyard,initially I thought they may of been brothers but found out later that they were not related... Do you have their service records? As they were in the Royal Naval Reserve (Trawler Section) their records are not online. Microfiche copies are held at the UK National Archives, Kew in BT 377/7 in service number order. The originals are held by the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 8 March , 2010 Share Posted 8 March , 2010 As this vessal was Morning Star IV, I would expect there to be atleast three other Morning Stars involved in WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnhem44 Posted 10 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2010 Thank you everyone for the replies,sadly I don't have there records but at least now I have a clearer picture of there background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 10 March , 2010 Share Posted 10 March , 2010 There are ships Logs at Kew for Morning Star, Morning Star III and Morning Star V, but not Morning Star IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted 11 March , 2010 Share Posted 11 March , 2010 ADM 137/533 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 11 March , 2010 Share Posted 11 March , 2010 Auxiliary Patrol Weekly Reports, Areas XVIII, XIX, XX and XXI, Queenstown, 1917, January - June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 11 March , 2010 Share Posted 11 March , 2010 Than sounds like my Morning Star. Sunk in 1917. Regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 27 October , 2017 Share Posted 27 October , 2017 (edited) On 07/03/2010 at 21:28, Arnhem44 said: Hi everyone,would anyone have any information on this boat,these two casualties are buried in my local graveyard,initially I thought they may of been brothers but found out later that they were not related,I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the boat,did it sink or was it just damaged and so on,any help would be very much appreciated. http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2743817 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2743818 Hello Arnhem44. James Bowie's (one of the brothers) Granddaughter, has just got in contact with me in regard her father a Burma Railway POW and her grandfather.... Regards Andy Edited 27 October , 2017 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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