DirtyDick Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Hello All I am trying to compile a mini- database of known WW1 submariners to help with my future research. I have already written a book on the subject as a result of my MA research, but am hoping to expand upon the subject for a PhD. It would make things infinitely easier for me to have a list of WW1 submariners to hand when looking at crew composition, etc., rather than having to scan through lots of docs at the RNSM. If anyone has any details of known submariner details, would you be kind enough to list the basic details as outlined below (may be simpler to cut-and-paste headers and fill in appropriate details. Information about submariners from other navies of the early 20th C. period would also be most welcome. (Have very little German or American personal information at present: could I apply to their naval records' departments?) Name: Date and Place of Birth: Service Number: Rank & Branch of Service (e.g. AB, Stoker etc.): Ships and Submarines served upon and dates: Any recommendations for conduct, bravery: Award of any Prize money and details: (Obviously, any little information will be of help so don't feel obliged to compile a massive list of ships/boats served upon, just number of boats and approximate duration of such service.) Thanks in advance, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Richard A booklet containing all submarine casualties from WW1 (taken from CWGC files) was published by THCL Books of Blackburn in 1999 (ISBN 0 948494 85 9). Compilers - Raymond and Jean Walsh. Might help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 If the title is "RN and RNVR Casualties in Submarine Service 1914-1918 R.R. Walsh, Jean M. Walsh " then one appears to be available at amazon.co.uk priced £21 Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 That's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 16 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Stuart and Terry, Thanks for the information; I never realised such a work existed. I'll have to see about getting a copy. Cheers Richard (Through the magic of editing my post to save space, many thanks to SueL for the information provided below! Very comprehensive and just the kind of stuff.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Richard Sleepy Steyning was home to two submariners who died. Their details are here: Charles Blaber Stanley Emery Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Whilst browsing the Times on line I came across a paragraph something like Officers and men of E 3. lost . Will try and find the date. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 16 May , 2004 Share Posted 16 May , 2004 Richard, This might be of interest to you. I've copied it from a Word document and its lost some of the formatting but you should be able to 'decipher' it. Crew members of H.M. Submarine E 47. Name Rank Ser. No. Commemorated Bell, Harold Petty Officer J/457 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Bennett, George Whittle E.R.A. 4th Class M/16899 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Bentley, Henry Able Seaman J/21845 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Bridge, William Arthur Able Seaman J/29416 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Buckingham, Walter Bertie Able Seaman 219507 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Burnard, Matthew Rosevere Davey Stoker Petty Officer K/1894 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Carre, Edward Cambridge * Lieutenant Not applicable The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Coward, Albert Samuel Chief E.R.A 1st Class 269238 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Cresswell, Colin Fraser Lieutenant Not applicable The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Cuff, Charles George Kewick Stoker 1st Class K/14084 The Chatham Naval Memorial Dwyer, Martin Stoker 1st Class K/22432 The Chatham Naval Memorial Elder, Kieth Edward Lieutenant Not applicable The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Fellowes, Frank Stoker 1st Class K/18636 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Harper, John William Stoker 1st Class K/21430 The Chatham Naval Memorial Howell, Charles Richard Stoker 1st Class K/22147 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Istead, Thomas William Stoker 1st Class K/26074 The Chatham Naval Memorial Jeffrey, Cyril Joseph Ordinary Telegraphist J/39221 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Johnson, Frank Petty Officer 235231 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Kelsey, William Thomas Leading Stoker K/10196 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Lindsey, Edward Albert Stoker 1st Class K/20064 The Chatham Naval Memorial Moss, Albert Leading Seaman 20982 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Nash, Charles Henry Signaller J/8441 The Plymouth Naval Memorial Pitman, Frederick John Stoker 1st Class K/20826 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Rae, James Hall Stoker 1st Class K/14203 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Roberts, David Able Seaman J/5818 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Roper, George William Petty Officer 226588 The Chatham Naval Memorial Smith, Thomas Michael Hawes Leading Telegraphist J/13685 The Chatham Naval Memorial Tomlinson, John Curwen E.R.A. 1813.EA The Plymouth Naval Memorial Vallance, Frederick Able Seaman 240105 The Chatham Naval Memorial Warden, Stanley Robert Able Seaman J/14875 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Webster, Frederick Charles Able Seaman J/6758 The Portsmouth Naval Memorial Wilkinson, Lewis Hallam E.R.A. 3rd Class The Chatham Naval Memorial * Captain John Tomlinson was born in Barrow-in-Furness. He was born in 1887 and had previously served on H.M. S/M E55. I know where the wreck of E47 is - if you want lat/long details email me off-line. Cheers. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 16 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2004 This is all excellent stuff; many thanks. Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lawton Posted 17 May , 2004 Share Posted 17 May , 2004 Richard, You'll find the crew lists for the AE-1 & AE-2, the only two RAN submarines of WW1, at The West Australian Maritime Museum. These crews contain a mixture of men loaned from the RN, Australians and if I remember correctly one from New Zealand Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 24 May , 2004 Share Posted 24 May , 2004 Hi Richard, I have just picked up on yr post "Submariners Database". I have several Submariners in my collection including a very rare & early WWI C.G.M. to a submariner, actually its the only one I have ever seen to a submariner. If you would like details I can supply. I have a couple casualties as well. I would also be interested in obtaining a copy (if possible) of yr book on WWI submariners if a copy might be available for sale. I dont have a copy of the casualty book that Stuart mentions & would like to obtain a copy of that also. Bryan (Canada) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 24 May , 2004 Share Posted 24 May , 2004 Another nice little book is Stoker's Submarine - the story of the Captain Dacre Stoker and the Australian AE2. There is a fair amount about the crew's captivity in Turkish jails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 24 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 24 May , 2004 Hello and thanks, RT Do you have the name of the book to hand? I've not read it and it seems ideal. RNCVR, I'll PM you with details of the book. Details of the submariners would be much appreciated. Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 25 May , 2004 Share Posted 25 May , 2004 RT Do you have the name of the book to hand? I've not read it and it seems ideal. Stoker's Submarine by Fred and Elizabeth Brenchley, published by Harper Collins. ISBN 0 7322 6703 X. First Published 2001. I bought my copy in Australia, 4 years ago, for Aus $30 (about £10). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted 26 May , 2004 Share Posted 26 May , 2004 Hello Richard. In view of your past extensive studies I suspect that you will already be aware of Horst Bredow and his superb archive at Cuxhaven, although "U-Boat Archiv" main claim to fame is the comprehensive WW2 data it holds, I was surprised at the amount of information it contains regarding the German submarine service of WW1. The address for inquires is U-Boot-Archiv Bahnhofstr. 57 27478 Cuxhaven Germany Telephone; 04722-322 Between9.30 & 12.00 GMT Unfortunately the archive has no e-mail address (unless things have changed recently) as such it is the telephone, fax or conventional mail, if you telephone Horst , he speaks good English. I thought it prudent to make mention of the above in view of your comment re foreign naval records, in the past I have had far more help from the U-Boat-Archive than from official German sources regarding WW1 submarines. Again I suspect that you already know of the archive but just in case ! I wish you every success with your daunting project. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 26 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2004 Thanks, David, this is an excellent source: I assumed such a place existed but did not find the address. I will (hopefully) be able to get a couple of equivalent German submariners' records to compare with their British counterparts; but may need to post them on the Forum for a translation! Does anyone know of equivalent archives in France and America? (I read French well and English passably, so should be okay with these on my own!) Thanks again and for all who have so far replied: I'm building up quite a collection. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 26 May , 2004 Share Posted 26 May , 2004 Richard, see: http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACH...iegsmarine.html WW2 but details of WW1 submariners such as von Heimburg who sank HMT Royal Edward. Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadier Posted 27 May , 2004 Share Posted 27 May , 2004 Here is the link to another site covering WW1 U Boats and operations. I have used the WW2 section to track the U Boat which my late father in law sank. It makes you think when you see "no survivors". Brave men on both sides http://uboat.net/wwi/ Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted 27 May , 2004 Share Posted 27 May , 2004 Richard. I have the service papers of one of the crew of the C34, the last "C" Class to be completed on 17th September 1910, only one man , Frank Scoble survived from the crew of 19 when the C34 was sunk by the U52 commanded by Hans Walther off Fair Isle, Shetlands on Saturday 21st July 1917. As it would seem that the papers are what you need towards your project I will send same probably over the week-end, as due to a recent move my "system"? is somewhat more haphazard than usual ! David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 27 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2004 Once again, thanks for all the links and offers of service details; it is much appreciated. The C-34 docs sound like just the right thing, David. Stoker's Submarine seems to only be available for sale from Australia, so I'll keep an eye out for an appearance on ebay, etc. as well. Does anyone know whether similar US, French, Italian or Canadian Navy records are available, and if so, for what price? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted 28 May , 2004 Share Posted 28 May , 2004 Richard. Thank you for your email, I will try to post papers on Monday. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 28 May , 2004 Share Posted 28 May , 2004 Stoker's Submarine seems to only be available for sale from Australia, so I'll keep an eye out for an appearance on ebay, etc. as well. I'm more than happy to let you borrow my copy. Contact me off forum if you wish..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDick Posted 28 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2004 Thanks, Peter, I may very well take you up on your kind offer at some future time, if that is okay. Thanks again Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Warnes Posted 30 May , 2004 Share Posted 30 May , 2004 Here is a link to some interesting WW1 Subs http://www.dropbears.com/w/ww1subs/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted 31 May , 2004 Share Posted 31 May , 2004 Richard. Similar to the submission by Andy (Northern Soul) the following is the crew list of the C34 as at the time of her demise:- Lt I.S. Jefferson Sub-Lt T.S. Moore Mate G.E. Tiller PO. F.T. Head. P214768 LS. H.W. Mansfield C239091 LS. E.W. Stringer PJ7838 AB. A. Edwards C238353 AB. R.T. Gee DJ891 AB. W.E. Maynard DJ100678 AB. J. Tagg DJ12877 LSig. C.H. Dawe DJ10018 Tel. C. McLaren PJ26447 Tel. H. Moss PJ31348 CERA. H.B. Sillick D270914 ERA. W.M.J. Roser CM12906 SPO. R.A. Kieth P283814 LSto. F. Worrell PK10151 Sto. W.G. Playford CK21054 Sto. F. Scoble DK22307 Stoker Frank Scoble was the sole survivor of the sinking, and was picked up by the U52, and taken prisoner, Stoker William George Playford is the casualty that I have papers for which as promised (when found) will submit to this thread. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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