29th Division Battle Patches

[Guest MD Anglerman]

Does anyone have a resource to recommend or a listing to share covering the regimental/brigade patches used by the 29th Division after their transfer to France from the Middle East?

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Hi

this won't help a lot as there are no battalion patches just the divisional patch

regards

John

close up 2nd Bn Hampshire Regt

Another one this time 1/Border Regt again no battalion patch

Close up if you look at the buttons thread there is a photo of a MGC lad with the 29th Div patch

[tocemma]

Hello all,

29th Div also had a scheme of Company indicator flashes worn below the collar on the back of the tunic. These were halved, in Regimental colours, and the orientation showed the Coy. I have a tunic worn by Sgt G. W. Silk, of 2nd Battalion, Royal Fusiliers. This has a square felt flash about 2 3/4" square, halved in claret and dark blue. There are well known images of Lancashire Fusiliers Officers and men in the Battle of the Somme IWM film, showing these flashes on 1st July etc.

Kind regards

Tocemma

[Guest MD Anglerman]

Hello all,

29th Div also had a scheme of Company indicator flashes worn below the collar on the back of the tunic. These were halved, in Regimental colours, and the orientation showed the Coy. I have a tunic worn by Sgt G. W. Silk, of 2nd Battalion, Royal Fusiliers. This has a square felt flash about 2 3/4" square, halved in claret and dark blue. There are well known images of Lancashire Fusiliers Officers and men in the Battle of the Somme IWM film, showing these flashes on 1st July etc.

Kind regards

Tocemma

Thanks so much for that information. Do you have any idea what regiment would have used black and green? I am looking at a helmet that has those.

[wainfleet]

Thanks so much for that information. Do you have any idea what regiment would have used black and green? I am looking at a helmet that has those.

Not this one by any chance?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW1-British-Mk1-Brod...=item2c534315f4

I don't like it one bit!

[Grovetown]

Hmmm? Louth...

[Mike_H]

Here is the info I have on 29th Div units once they arrived in France. All the marks are worn on the back of the service dress just below the collar unless stated otherwise, (all units would wear the red triangle Div sign on both upper arms):

86th Brigade

2 Royal Fusiliers, red/blue square. diagonally bisected, upper left to lower right, worn red uppermost.

1 Lancs Fusiliers, red & yellow patches, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram.

1 Munster Fusiliers, green shamrock.

1 Dublin Fusiliers, slate blue diamond.

87th Brigade

2 SWB, 1/2" wide dark green stripe across base of shoulder straps.

1 KOSB - no information.

1 R Inniskilling Fus. dark green rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

1 Border, red rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

88th Brigade

4 Worcester, green & white diamond 3" high 2" wide, company indicators worn as in attached diagram.

2 Hants, yellow & black diamonds, 2" sides, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram, H/Q company wore the diamond horizontally bisected, yellow over black

1 Essex, red diamond 2" sides .

1 Newfoundland Regt, vertically bisected maroon & white square (or circle??) ( I have conflicting info re shape and position worn, perhaps someone else can help. M)

Hope this helps

Mike

[Guest MD Anglerman]

Not this one by any chance?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW1-British-Mk1-Brod...=item2c534315f4

I don't like it one bit!

That is the one - think we are looking at a fake? That may be borne out by Mike H's findings above!

[Guest MD Anglerman]

Here is the info I have on 29th Div units once they arrived in France. All the marks are worn on the back of the service dress just below the collar unless stated otherwise, (all units would wear the red triangle Div sign on both upper arms):

86th Brigade

2 Royal Fusiliers, red/blue square. diagonally bisected, upper left to lower right, worn red uppermost.

1 Lancs Fusiliers, red & yellow patches, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram.

1 Munster Fusiliers, green shamrock.

1 Dublin Fusiliers, slate blue diamond.

87th Brigade

2 SWB, 1/2" wide dark green stripe across base of shoulder straps.

1 KOSB - no information.

1 R Inniskilling Fus. dark green rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

1 Border, red rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

88th Brigade

4 Worcester, green & white diamond 3" high 2" wide, company indicators worn as in attached diagram.

2 Hants, yellow & black diamonds, 2" sides, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram, H/Q company wore the diamond horizontally bisected, yellow over black

1 Essex, red diamond 2" sides .

1 Newfoundland Regt, vertically bisected maroon & white square (or circle??) ( I have conflicting info re shape and position worn, perhaps someone else can help. M)

Hope this helps

Mike

Mike - This information is fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing it! I think that you just saved me from buying a questionable helmet!

Greg

[wainfleet]

That is the one - think we are looking at a fake? That may be borne out by Mike H's findings above!

I don't like the source, which seems to me to be closely linked to another source with an extremely questionable track record. Nor do I like the carefully-chosen slightly ditzy description. I'll say no more!

[Guest MD Anglerman]

Here is the info I have on 29th Div units once they arrived in France. All the marks are worn on the back of the service dress just below the collar unless stated otherwise, (all units would wear the red triangle Div sign on both upper arms):

86th Brigade

2 Royal Fusiliers, red/blue square. diagonally bisected, upper left to lower right, worn red uppermost.

1 Lancs Fusiliers, red & yellow patches, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram.

1 Munster Fusiliers, green shamrock.

1 Dublin Fusiliers, slate blue diamond.

87th Brigade

2 SWB, 1/2" wide dark green stripe across base of shoulder straps.

1 KOSB - no information.

1 R Inniskilling Fus. dark green rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

1 Border, red rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

88th Brigade

4 Worcester, green & white diamond 3" high 2" wide, company indicators worn as in attached diagram.

2 Hants, yellow & black diamonds, 2" sides, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram, H/Q company wore the diamond horizontally bisected, yellow over black

1 Essex, red diamond 2" sides .

1 Newfoundland Regt, vertically bisected maroon & white square (or circle??) ( I have conflicting info re shape and position worn, perhaps someone else can help. M)

Hope this helps

Mike

Just saw another post under the Insignia Section that the 1st Newfoundland used the circle.

Greg

[Guest MD Anglerman]

I don't like the source, which seems to me to be closely linked to another source with an extremely questionable track record. Nor do I like the carefully-chosen slightly ditzy description. I'll say no more!

Thank you for your thoughts and the advice. I think that the evidence does not support its origins, either. Thanks to all for the enlightening information - just goes to show how great a forum this is!

Greg

[Chris Martin]

1 Newfoundland Regt, vertically bisected maroon & white square (or circle??) ( I have conflicting info re shape and position worn, perhaps someone else can help. M)

From what I have read the Newfoundland badge was rectangular and worn on the sleeve until 1916 then it was changed to circular and placed at the back of the collar. Nicholson discusses this in the Fighting Newfoundlander. Unfortunatly I'm nowhere my copy to provide the citation, but will do when I return home.

[Mike_H]

Thanks Chris

M]

[trenchtrotter]

Couple of PC images showing Div patch...Essex and Einniskillin.

TT

[trenchtrotter]

Essex

[Harrison_J]

I would rather bump and old topic, than create a new one so I thought I would pose my query here. Were these patches, worn on the puggrees of Woseley helmets during the Gallipoli campaign? I know that the British Army usually had some sort of cloth flash on the helmet, but I have come up empty trying to find any evidence of the 29th doing it. My specific interest is the Royal Newfoundland Regiment, the claret/white patch.

The patch changed from a rectangle to circle in 1917 according to Nicholson, its in the German Spring Offensive chapter. I know this thread was started 4 years ago, but I figured I would toss that in extra.

Hope somone can help!

Here are a few linked images, of Newfoundlanders wearing the rectangular patch

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/greatwar/gallery/regiment/groupshots/enlarge/va4019a2.html

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/greatwar/gallery/regiment/groupshots/enlarge/va4015b1.html

[Sepoy]

Harrison J

Welcome to the Forum, I hope you enjoy it.

Regretfully, I am unable to help with regard to the flashes worn on 29th Division Wolseley helmets. I believe that these helmets were ditched very quickly at Helles, although, I do have photographs of them being worn at Suvla. I hope someone can help with your Newfoundland enquiry.

To help restart this thread I have added the photograph of an Artillery Sergeant in the 29th Division, with a very unhappy looking woman. I suspect there was a very sad story behind this photograph, unfortunately lost to time.

Sepoy

[Harrison_J]

I've now gone over several images of British units in Egypt (no Newfoundlanders sadly) without any insignia on their puggrees, so maybe they observed the 1911 regs with no extra badges/patches worn? It seems like it was commonly done, despite this.

[keith119]

Does anyone know if the Newfoundlanders wore their Claret & White battle patches in a particular orientation to identify the coy?

[westernhighlander]

On 2/27/2010 at 10:52, Mike_H said:

Here is the info I have on 29th Div units once they arrived in France. All the marks are worn on the back of the service dress just below the collar unless stated otherwise, (all units would wear the red triangle Div sign on both upper arms):

86th Brigade

2 Royal Fusiliers, red/blue square. diagonally bisected, upper left to lower right, worn red uppermost.

1 Lancs Fusiliers, red & yellow patches, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram.

1 Munster Fusiliers, green shamrock.

1 Dublin Fusiliers, slate blue diamond.

87th Brigade

2 SWB, 1/2" wide dark green stripe across base of shoulder straps.

1 KOSB - no information.

1 R Inniskilling Fus. dark green rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

1 Border, red rectangle 2" x 1/2" on back of collar.

88th Brigade

4 Worcester, green & white diamond 3" high 2" wide, company indicators worn as in attached diagram.

2 Hants, yellow & black diamonds, 2" sides, company indicators worn as shown in attached diagram, H/Q company wore the diamond horizontally bisected, yellow over black

1 Essex, red diamond 2" sides .

1 Newfoundland Regt, vertically bisected maroon & white square (or circle??) ( I have conflicting info re shape and position worn, perhaps someone else can help. M)

Hope this helps

Mike

 What unit is represented by a black/ yellow SQUARE bisected DIGONALLY (vs horizontally as pictures above)?  

[Cosmo Rogers]

I know this thread was started eight years ago, but does anyone possess the knowledge of the actual size of the "Half Diamond" worn on the upper arm by the Division?

Regards Cosmo