Tyneside Chinaman Posted 12 February , 2010 Share Posted 12 February , 2010 Hi, Heres one frea Glasgie a Segeant of the HLI with Pig and Whistle buttons From the ribbon it could be late 1917 early 1918 if its a 1914 Star as he wears no overseas service cheverons. These were spotted by that well known sniper Graham Stewart after I thought it was possibly a Tyneside Scot as it was bought in Gateshead. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 12 February , 2010 Share Posted 12 February , 2010 T, be sure this is a Private of the London Irish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 12 February , 2010 Share Posted 12 February , 2010 Here are a group of Argyll and Sutherland Highlander Senior NCO's Although blurred the buttons are not GS. Its good to go back and look through the collection once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 12 February , 2010 Share Posted 12 February , 2010 The London Irish Rifles - a Platoon of the 2nd battalion St Albans 1915 - some wearing GS and some regimental buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 I have had a great time going through and looking closely at the photo's again. There are a few wearing rifle buttons other than KRRC and RB. This Cyclist from 1/7 Welsh Regiment for instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Another one from Scotland 1/4 Royal Scots Queen's Edinburgh Rifles. These four are from 1/1/Buckingham Battalion OBLI. Both GS and Rifle buttons being worn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 13 February , 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2010 A marvellous response to my request ....... I have asked 'my' regiment, RWF, if their SNCOs had similar dispensation, and will report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Last one for today got to go and watch the rugby Pte Thomas Wadlie 6/Cameronians as you would expect a Rifle Regiment wearing rifle buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 This thread has well and truly proved a point, similarly to those on the wearing of collar badges by ORs, and private purchase boots. Classic reference material which upsets a few preconceptions, mine included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Last one for today got to go and watch the rugby Pte Thomas Wadlie 6/Cameronians as you would expect a Rifle Regiment wearing rifle buttons. But interestingly they look like the plain rifles button, not the Scottish Rifles version which had a smaller strung horn within a thistle wreath. Here are a Victorian ball button version (with the blackening rubbed off) and a WW2 version: Pic of button in wear to follow in another post as I've run out of space! Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 And here's a WW1 photo of a Scottish Rifles rifleman with the thistle wreath button ... [This was definitely from another Pal here, but I cannot find my note on source - apologies to the owner ] The other interesting fact is he's wearing the SD cap not the glengarry, which IIRC was why the photo was originally posted. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 13 February , 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Thank you everybody: a superb reference thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 It has been said on this forum a few times that 6/DLI were known as the Black Buttoned B...stds Here we see why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 This one is a bit different as the NCO Sgt Beaumont only served with 18 and 20 Service Battalions DLI However a close up of the buttons reveals them to be regimental pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Frederick Hawcroft as we can see served with the KOYLI but the top button can be seen to be a bugle by the light on the curve definitely not a GS coat of arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 This one is slightly off topic as he's not Infantry but worth posting as not many will have see the cap badge of The National Motor Volunteers in a photo. The buttons have a badge on them but it is too blurred to make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 February , 2010 Share Posted 13 February , 2010 Frederick Hawcroft as we can see served with the KOYLI but the top button can be seen to be a bugle by the light on the curve definitely not a GS coat of arms. Very interesting, this is the first one we have seen with Rgtl. buttons who is not a senior NCO, and neither Londons nor Rifles but a county regiment. Simplifed jacket = 99.9% certainty this is a wartime photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 14 February , 2010 Share Posted 14 February , 2010 This one is slightly off topic as he's not Infantry but worth posting as not many will have see the cap badge of The National Motor Volunteers in a photo. The buttons have a badge on them but it is too blurred to make out. Difficult to tell, but from the looks of the pocket button on the left of the photo it looks like they are pressed leather "football" buttons (ie not regimentally specific). The triangle that they seem to form is quite distinctive: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqaXtTr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 14 February , 2010 Share Posted 14 February , 2010 Priced Vocabulary of Clothing and Necessaries--1909 and 1915 Part III. IV rates for completing Garments Regular Forces Sewing on Buttons (regimental)-- Service Dress----Jacket and Great Coat--Rifle Regiments, Foot Guards and Household Cavalry--Includes removal of non Regimental buttons (i.e. GS or Royal Arms buttons) for each garment Military Labor 3d or civilian 4 1/2d (1915 prices) For 4th Gordons (Chris) the price to change Gordon's Gaiter buttons to black horn is also included. Part III of the priced vocabulary is a great reference on what modifications were actually allowed. Also, SD Jackets etc were available for the TF cut, unmade and without buttons should the TFA wish to purchase these. Type of buttons would be added presumably at the TFA discretion. MBrockway (mark) that SR photo was mine. The practice was very widespread as the photos show. Joe Sweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 14 February , 2010 Share Posted 14 February , 2010 For 4th Gordons (Chris) the price to change Gordon's Gaiter buttons to black horn is also included. Joe Sweeney Cheers Joe! It appears from my photos that black buttons were not universal on kahki gaiters - but do appear to have been almost universal on white dress gaiters. Thanks again Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 14 February , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2010 super thread: lots of the heavyweights chipping in with priceless contributions. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 14 February , 2010 Share Posted 14 February , 2010 Cheers Joe! It appears from my photos that black buttons were not universal on kahki gaiters - but do appear to have been almost universal on white dress gaiters. Thanks again Chris Chris, Not a surprise-seems to be a great time waster Joe Sweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 14 February , 2010 Share Posted 14 February , 2010 This corporal in the 2nd 8th Notts and Derby has a regimental button on his epoulette but the others GS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 15 February , 2010 Share Posted 15 February , 2010 A misleading generalization. Oh, dear... As this thread has shown, it would be misleading to generalise that regimental buttons were not worn. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocemma Posted 15 February , 2010 Share Posted 15 February , 2010 Oh, dear... As this thread has shown, it would be misleading to generalise that regimental buttons were not worn. Or from the photos posted here, to suggest they were widely worn by those under the rank of Sergeant it would seem..... Tocemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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