SteveB Posted 10 January , 2010 Share Posted 10 January , 2010 Hi, I have a Victory medal named to someone in the 104 Rifles. I did a Google search on 104 Rifles, but it came up with nothing of note. Can anyone shed some light on who they were? Cheers SteveB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 10 January , 2010 Share Posted 10 January , 2010 Steve Can you give us the name? Possibly 104th Wellesley's Rifles of the Indian Army. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted 10 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2010 Hi Dave, Its named to 4317 R.M. Ismail 104 RFLS Cheers SteveB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 hey.. am serving in what was thn 104 Wellesley's, now in Indian Army.. can you give more details about it.. if indeed it belongs to someone from 104 Wellesley's, it would be great knowing more about it... Akhil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 Definitely the Indian Army. The IA regiments had, I believe, 130 line regiments. Many reflected the area and religion of the recruitment area ie 47 Sikhs, 92 Punjabis or 130 Baluchis. Some just used the regiment number, possibly through multi-culture recruitment, and the 104th Rifles is one of these. Sometimes a name is added, such as Wellesley's Rifles, because the regiment was formed by, or had their figurehead, a notable person, but that name is rarely added to the medal's naming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 1. Ya.. The Bn fought under Arthur Wellesley in 1800s in Central India... and "4" of 104 came from its previous designation of 4th regiment the rifle corps... 2.The title Wellesley's is still used by my Battalion.... Right now i am shuffling through the archives to find out any mention of tht name "Ismail"... is there any date etched on it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 Right now i am shuffling through the archives to find out any mention of tht name "Ismail"... is there any date etched on it..? I think the original poster indicated it was a Victory Medal - so it would be for someone (R.M. Ismail, service number 4317) who saw service with the unit during the 14-18 period and was issued with the medal in 1919-2?. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 What a coincidence! See here We're definitely talking about 104th Wellesley's Rifles, Indian Army. They maintained one company of Punjabi Musalmans (Muslims). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 24 May , 2013 Share Posted 24 May , 2013 1. Ya.. The Bn fought under Arthur Wellesley in 1800s in Central India... and "4" of 104 came from its previous designation of 4th regiment the rifle corps... 2.The title Wellesley's is still used by my Battalion.... Right now i am shuffling through the archives to find out any mention of tht name "Ismail"... is there any date etched on it..? Out of interest, Wiki says the 1/6th (Wellesley's) Rajputana Rifles became the 3rd Battalion, Brigade of Guards, but the Indian Army website doesn't enter specifics. Is Wiki correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 Ya.. the current designation is 3rd Bn, Brigade of the Guards(1 Raj Rif) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 Thanks. Go on then: the Brigade of the Guards - presumably all battalions are re-designations of former regimental titles (such as 1st Raj Rif)? Is it possible to have a list, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 i dint quite understand.. wat is it tht you want..? only 1st Bn of Rajputana rifles got converted to Guards.. rest all are carrying designation of Rajputana Rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 Thanks - what interests me is The Guards. I assume all the battalions of that unit are former battalions of other units (such as 1/6 Raj Rif being 3rd Guards). I just wondered what battalions had transferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 only first 4 battalions are converted.. rest are all newly raised... 1st Bn Bde of the Guards was 2/2 Punjab... 2nd Bn Bde of the Guards was 1st Grenadiers regimant, 3rd Bn Bde of the Guards was 1/6 Raj Rif(Wellesley's) and 4th Bn Bde of the Guards was 1 Rajput Regiment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 I think the original poster indicated it was a Victory Medal - so it would be for someone (R.M. Ismail, service number 4317) who saw service with the unit during the 14-18 period and was issued with the medal in 1919-2?. Chris the unit was using the name "wellesley's" from 1903 to 1923.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 25 May , 2013 Share Posted 25 May , 2013 only first 4 battalions are converted.. rest are all newly raised... 1st Bn Bde of the Guards was 2/2 Punjab... 2nd Bn Bde of the Guards was 1st Grenadiers regimant, 3rd Bn Bde of the Guards was 1/6 Raj Rif(Wellesley's) and 4th Bn Bde of the Guards was 1 Rajput Regiment... Thanks. Most interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted 29 May , 2013 Share Posted 29 May , 2013 As a matter of interest, the British in India referred to the Rajputana Rifles familiarly as the Large Banana Trifles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 29 May , 2013 Share Posted 29 May , 2013 who told you tht? i never heard nything like tht!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 29 May , 2013 Share Posted 29 May , 2013 No, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted 30 May , 2013 Share Posted 30 May , 2013 You live and learn. You can start here http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ/2009-07/1248783669, but google will assist you further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 30 May , 2013 Share Posted 30 May , 2013 You certainly do learn every day, although "Large Bana Trifles" or "Raspberry and Bana Trifles" ... pays your money and takes your choice, I suppose. I can honestly say I've never heard it before though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhil872002 Posted 30 May , 2013 Share Posted 30 May , 2013 You live and learn. You can start here http://archiver.root...9-07/1248783669, but google will assist you further. 239 years of history and digest of service and yet to find any such thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Posted 30 May , 2013 Share Posted 30 May , 2013 Akhil, Welcome aboard! Roxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 March , 2019 Share Posted 15 March , 2019 On 24/05/2013 at 21:02, akhil872002 said: 1. Ya.. The Bn fought under Arthur Wellesley in 1800s in Central India... and "4" of 104 came from its previous designation of 4th regiment the rifle corps... 2.The title Wellesley's is still used by my Battalion.... Right now i am shuffling through the archives to find out any mention of tht name "Ismail"... is there any date etched on it..? I have one medal of Afghan War. (Pt. Mohidin Khan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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