mikebriggs Posted 2 December , 2009 Share Posted 2 December , 2009 Dear all Over the last few (too many) years I have been slowly compiling a nominal role of the 6th Battn Sherwood Foresters (Nott and Derby), and as they formed the 2/6th and 3/6th Reserve Battalions. So I thought I would share my progress with you and offer to any look-ups requested. Up to the end of 1914 the Battalion apparently ‘issued’ 3627 numbers. Of course I don’t know if all of them were used and actually I suspect not. However the Notts and Derby Territorial Battalions were pretty consistent with their numbering (both 4-digit and the 1917 6-digit renumbering). Of those numbers I have been able to identify about 2002 men, that’s just over 50%. Obviously it’s easier to identify the men who enlisted between 1911 and 1914 (as opposed to 1908-1910). Of those 2002 men I have obtained the service records of about 33% of them. Some years have better hit rates than others of course (cf 1909 to 1912) and I think that 1914 suffers more than other years with bad ancestry indexing (plus I haven’t really scoured through that year yet). I can list 950 men who went to France with the original 139th Bde/ 46th Div contingent, so that leaves me about 25 short if the Battn was at full strength. The compiled information comes from a variety of sources primarily including:- 1) Medal Rolls (Notts & Derby, RDC, MGC, LC etc) 2) SWB Rolls (TF/Roll and also courtesy of James O’Hara) 3) Army Service Records (WO363 & WO364) 4) Regimental Archive (courtesy of Cliff Housley) 5) Company Roles (Local newspapers) 6) And a bunch of other sources that slip my mind for the moment…… And oh yes..............on the Attestation form the Territorial Battns almost always records the Regiment as "Notts and Derby" whilst the Regulars and later the Kitchener battalions almost always recorded it as "Sherwood Foresters" The numbering 'time line' looks a bit like this.... cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bramley Posted 2 December , 2009 Share Posted 2 December , 2009 And oh yes..............on the Attestation form the Territorial Battns almost always records the Regiment as "Notts and Derby" whilst the Regulars and later the Kitchener battalions almost always recorded it as "Sherwood Foresters" Hi Mike, Considering the above, how should I correctly refer to these men, Notts and Derby or Sherwood Foresters? Excellent work with the database, Would you like me to check my 5th Lincolns db for any 6th Batn. transfers? Regards, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 2 December , 2009 Share Posted 2 December , 2009 Hi Mike, This is great to see- very very well done. A few years ago we spoke about 3340 Pte George Bagshaw- i wondered if you could add some info at all please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 2 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 December , 2009 Hi Mike, This is great to see- very very well done. A few years ago we spoke about 3340 Pte George Bagshaw- i wondered if you could add some info at all please? ha ha my first test 3340 George Bagshaw enlisted 26th October 1914 (into the 6 Res Battn). Transfered to 1/6th Battn and went to France on 28th Feb 1915. Subsequently enlisted into the MGC in early in 1916. In fact was in first group of 139th Bde men to transfer over to the MGC. Steve, I would be very grateful if you can identify transfers into the 6th Lincs thanks guys cheers Mike p.s. these are Notts & Derby men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 4 December , 2009 Share Posted 4 December , 2009 You are a brave man Well done on the work Mike. Steve M Steve - all where buried as Notts & Derby Regiment(well the ones that died!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 4 December , 2009 Share Posted 4 December , 2009 Mike, I have just acquired the Field Note books of Capt V O Robinson OC A Coy 1/6th Bn Sherwood Foresters. It covers the attack on Fosse 3 Lieven the following names are in his notes. Most without numbers but you may be able to cross reference. I will dig out the pocketbook of L/Cpl A E Bedford MM B Coy 1/6th as he lists more names. here goes Sgt Reece Sgt Biggin Sgt Rav(n)ey Cpl Parkes* Pte Hodlen? 7700 Sgt Monks 7646 Sgt Thompson 7702 Cpl E Glen???? 7641 Cpl W N(H?)oyes 7703 Cpl Harris 7643 L/Cpl Russel 7692 L/cpl Beese? 7708 Pte S?elcher? Signallers Britten, Dawes,Drabble, Beastall, Mellor,Mitchell, Davis, Duke,Bates Wood, Ramsh(k)ill, Darwent. others Mapletoft, Ball, Monks, Parkes*, Hobbs, Bramwell,Lee to D Coy,Lomas, Cooper, Exford both to C Coy, later note Exford to be Sgt. Biggen Jackson to be L/Cpl Haywood recommended for Cpl Lewis Gunners No 1 Plt: Bennett 25, Vardy, Marsh, Leake?, Burn,Leach No 2 Plt: Bland, Straw, Millington?, Jessop, Hurley, Wright,Mather,Elvidge. No 3 Plt: Evans, Hughes, Hawkins, Vick. No 4 Plt: Brown J, Holford, Lilee, Morley, Pratt J, B, Skeath, Bellamy Sampson. Officers mentioned 2/Lts Dolly(Dolley in War Diary) Higham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 5 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Hi Mark That sounds a very interesting book! A bit of a challenge there; the first few are relatively easy:- Sgt Reece 1850 Alfred Reece; e. 10/4/13; F 28/2/15; disemb. 10/1/19 (A Coal miner from Smethick, Warwickshire) Sgt Biggin 3291 Albert Biggin; e. Oct 1914; F. 28/2/15; Disemb 5.3.19 Sgt Rav(n)ey 1134 John George Ravey; e. 22/4/09; F. 28/2/15; disemb 8.1.19; MM, LG 9.7.17 (for Gallantry on 23rd April 1917 at Fosse 3 De Lievin) Cpl Parkes* 2766 Jasper Parkes; e. F. 26.2.15; k/a 30.5.17; MM, LG 26.4.17 Pte Hodlen? ?1697 Willie Hodkin; e. May 1912; F 25/6/15; Disemb 24.1.19 7700 Sgt Monks 7700 Edward Munks; Formerly 237 S Notts Hussars; Served with "A" Company and was wounded on 28.6.17 at Cite St Pierre. (I believe he may have been in the 29th Reinforcement to the Battn which was made up of a mixture of men from the various Notts and Derby Yeomanry Regts) 7646 Sgt Thompson 7640 Francis Thompson; Formerly 1426 Derbyshire Yeomanry; k/a 22.4.17 (He would have been also been in the 29th Reinforcement) 7702 Cpl E Glen???? 7702 Edward Gunther; 29th Reinforcement but nothing else known 7641 Cpl W N(H?)oyes I don’t have this guy, however he is he fits in nicely between 7640 Thompson and 7642 Sykes and his 6-digit number would have been 242438 (again 29th Reinforcement) Any chance of a scan of his name as written in the book? 7703 Cpl Harris 7703 John Harris; k/a 30.5.17 (29th Reinforcement) 7643 L/Cpl Russel 7643 Charles Russell; (29th Reinforcement) 7692 L/cpl Beese? 7691 Alfred Beeston? Formerly 1029 1st Derby Yeomanry; Served with "A" Company and was wounded on 5.6.17 at Lievin; (29th Reinforcement) 7708 Pte S?elcher? 7708 Bertram Skelcher Will have a crack at the others later.........they seem much harder to find cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike, I have had a quick look at some of the names given by Mark but there are multiple choices to pick from. You may already have these details. Vick, Arthur 241557 early No 4530. Hawkins, John 241558 early No 4531. Hughes, John 241560 Hughes, Joseph 240176 Evans, Albert 241360 early No 4113. MM Evans, George 240176 Evans, George 241468 Evans, Walter 240274 Evans, Henry 241463 early No 4339. Elvidge, Ernest 241513 Mather, John 240305 with three others. Hurley, J 241511 with three others. Skeath, Fred 241430 early No 4282. Sampson, William 240949 early No 3206. Bellamy, Harry 240940 early No 3192. with 'A' Coy. wounded Leivin 22/4/17. Pratt, multiple entries. Morley, G.H. 1598 Morley, W 241350 Holford, Percy 240912 early No 3127. Millington, B 241421 Straw, Harry 4235 Straw, Walter 241216 Bland, Bernard 240424 early No 2124. Haywood, John 241351 early No 4085. Exford, multiple entries all mostly 6th Btn. Bramwell, Ellis 240417 early No 2107 later 4964735. Bramwell, Harrison 240050 early No 656. Bramwell, Robert 240558 early No 2390. BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Excellent work Mike. I suppose that explains why you've been a little quiet recently!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 5 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Excellent work Mike. I suppose that explains why you've been a little quiet recently!! thanks Andy Troglodyte is probably a good description Bronno, many thanks (will enjoy going over the list), and here is my equivalent list of signallers:- Signallers:- Britten 1875 Percy Brittain Dawes 1790 Samuel Dawes Drabble Several to choose from but possibly 3208 Thomas Drabble (MM, LG 9.7.17 for Gallantry on 23rd April 1917 at Fosse 3 De Lievin) Beastall 3004 Leslie Beastall (MM, LG 9.7.17 for Gallantry on 23rd April 1917 at Fosse 3 De Lievin) Mellor Several to choose from Mitchell 5 or 6 to choose from Davis Several to choose from Duke 4371 Leonard Duke Bates 3 or 4 to choose from Wood 1146 John Wood, 1179 George Wood, 1518 William Wood?? Ramsh(k)ill 4075 Jim Ramskill Darwent. 7730 Victor Darwent and here they are in 1917............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambo Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike Have you just got information on enlisted men or officers as well? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 thanks Andy and here they are in 1917............... I can see Captain Jackson sitting there with E.B. Johnson, can't identify the other two Officers though. BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 5 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December , 2009 wow Bronno, you've better eyes than me Henry Jackson was in D Company at the time this photo was taken.............. As for EB Johnson I've never seen a picture of him; but his other brothers always wore their hat at a 'jaunty' angle Better resolution, but still not great John, in answer to your question, yes I do have list and copies of the records of many Officers that served with 1/6th and 2/6th but it is far from complete I'm afraid; let me have a name and I'll dig around cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike, That's brilliant on the signallers. many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike, More names, these from the pocket book of 2973 L/Cpl A E Bedford MM. C Coy 1/6th Bn Winners of Brigade Bomb Competition Medal 12 Sept 1916 No 9 Section 240523 Cpl A W Stroyan MM 240810 L/Cpl Lievesley C (later DCM and KiA at Ramicourt) 241475 L/Cpl Mountain A W- Coy Sig 241456 Pte Marsden C W -Res Sig 241283 Pte Jepson W 242550 Pte Martin J 242548 Pte Mansfield H W.-Res Sig 242612 Pte Rose? A W 242621 Pte Wardman D W 240271 Pte Chesterton J -Sanitary 241452 L/Cpl Buxton J W 240866 Pte Gilbert H -Canteen ALSO IN THE BOOK Platoon Sergeant 1706 Morgan No 10 Section 240142 Cpl Wood C W 240067 L/Cpl Large R W 242538 Pte Freeston? J H 240687 Pte Johnson 241576 Pte Mabbott W 242626 Pte Murray? C W 240392 Pte Berley BW 242482 Pte Wood E RW 241484 Pte Holmes W-Coy Sig 241481 Pte Birds R 242506 Pte Beardall J A 242518 Pte Croxall J W 241003 Pte Salt PK No 11 Section 240407 L/Cpl Marsden J W 240390 L/Cpl Whitehead 240268 Pte Blagden H W 240585 Pte Artle E L 241315 Pte Mowbary JJ 241469 Pte Bacon A 241501 Pte Swift A-Reg Sig 241468 Pte Evans G 242623 Pte Woodward C K No 12 Section 240827 L/Cpl Bedford A E-Later MM 240306 Pte Beresford F W 241470 Pte Frost H K 240353 Pte Stone HW 242742 Pte Town W 242619 Pte Wagg F 242630 Pte Flack(?) J W 240707 L/Cpl Carlisle(?) J W 240740 Pte Shipley R K regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Here you can see Jackson a little clearer (not too sure how to make the picture bigger)3rd from the left sitting, post war period 6th Battalion Officers at camp. All the other officers in this picture are known including the Colonel of the Regiment Sir William Raine Marshall. Humphrey Henry Jackson served from 1912 through the Great War and was wounded at St Elie in August 1917. Lt/Col 6th Battalion Nottinghamshires and Derbyshire Regiment from February 1939 to June 1941. Awards, Military Cross, 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal, O.B.E., T.D., D.L. Died in Chesterfield on the 8th March 1969. BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 5 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike, More names, these from the pocket book of 2973 L/Cpl A E Bedford MM. C Coy 1/6th Bn Winners of Brigade Bomb Competition Medal 12 Sept 1916 Mark Thats brilliant and many thanks; will double check against those that I have. Looking at the numbers, which are all April 1917 6-digit numbers, was this written up after the event ? Bronno Great photo, I see Victor Robinson on there too...........who's the lad sitting far right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike, No written at the time. His note book is like a personal diary. regards MARK Mark Thats brilliant and many thanks; will double check against those that I have. Looking at the numbers, which are all April 1917 6-digit numbers, was this written up after the event ? Bronno Great photo, I see Victor Robinson on there too...........who's the lad sitting far right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambo Posted 5 December , 2009 Share Posted 5 December , 2009 Mike Thanks for the offer. This is my man and if you can add anything I would be very greatful. If this adds anything to what you have then all is not lost! Given he has an unusual name I couldn't find his gazette dates other than the Captaincy. I'm really interested in filling in the gaps if I can like whether he served in Ireland during the Easter uprising for instance. If you had a photo.............! The details of the action came from a posting I did a while ago the rest is spade work Thanks John Captain Henry Latham Kerrich B Company 2/6th (TF) Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment (Sherwood Foresters) Died of wounds on the 27th of September 1917 aged 21 He was born on the 14th of February 1896 the son of John Dazell and Mary Kerrich of The Gables, Middelburg, Transvaal in South Africa and of Geldeston Hall in Norfolk. He was educated at Junior King’s and then at the King’s School Canterbury from the May of 1909 to July 1910 after which he went to Repton School from September 1910 to July 1915. He was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the 3rd Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment (Sherwood Foresters) Special Reserve He disembarked in France on the 17th of December 1916 and was attached to the 2/6th Battalion. He was promoted to Temporary Captain while in charge of a company on the 23rd of August 1917. On the 26th of September 1917 the 2/6th Sherwood Foresters were detailed to attack German positions along the Gravenstafel Road. After a heavy preparatory barrage they went forward at 5.50am and had taken their objectives by 7.30 taking a number of prisoners. The Germans shelled the Sherwoods for most of the day, counterattacking at 5.30pm and again at 6.50pm. Henry Kerrich was wounded during this operation and died the next day. He is buried at Wieltje Farm Cemetery Row A Grave 20 and is commemorated at St Michael’s Church Geldeston. His records are held at the National Archives under WO339/34366 war diary under WO95/3025 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 7 December , 2009 Share Posted 7 December , 2009 Quote, Bronno who's the lad sitting far right? That is Captain Frank Allen Carline OBE.TD. died in 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 8 December , 2009 Share Posted 8 December , 2009 Thanks Mike, Sorry for just acknowledging the information, i have just returned from a very wet and cold trip to Ypres!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardIII Posted 9 December , 2009 Share Posted 9 December , 2009 Hi Mike, I was once given access to some of the items held in the Regimental Museum, including the 1917 diary of Lieut F Brindley, 2/6th Bn. I copied out details of the Lewis Gun Teams for all four companies including the reserve gunners. The men are all shown with their 4 digit numbers. If you don't have this information and would like it I would be pleased to send you a copy. There are about 47 names per company. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 12 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2009 Hi Mike, I was once given access to some of the items held in the Regimental Museum, including the 1917 diary of Lieut F Brindley, 2/6th Bn. I copied out details of the Lewis Gun Teams for all four companies including the reserve gunners. The men are all shown with their 4 digit numbers. If you don't have this information and would like it I would be pleased to send you a copy. There are about 47 names per company. Richard Hi Richard thanks for the offer but I think that i have this list from Cliff Housley; if not i'll get back to you and take you up on the offer cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 12 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2009 Mike, No written at the time. His note book is like a personal diary. regards MARK Mark This second list (from the diary) has got me a bit stumped; was the brigade bombing competition in the UK in Sept 1916? Also I still can't figure out why they should have the 1917 6-digit numbers because they wouldn't have been issued in Sept 1916 .........and some of the men i have down in a reinforcement going to France in Nov/Dec 1916 cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardIII Posted 12 December , 2009 Share Posted 12 December , 2009 Hi Mike, I thought you would already have the info, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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