bmac Posted 21 November , 2009 Share Posted 21 November , 2009 Terry, Any idea what the progress is on this officer's case? See thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...st&p=924571 from May 2008 onwards. Cheers Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 21 November , 2009 Share Posted 21 November , 2009 Still awaiting settlement of the burial issues. He has been accepted but the case has not yet completed the formalities of grave inspection and then any legal processes required for a headstone. That can take years in some cases! I'll try to get the latest update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 21 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 21 November , 2009 Thanks for the very speedy reply (though what were you doing for the other four minutes? Outrageous!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 27 November , 2009 Share Posted 27 November , 2009 Bill VINCENT was added by CWGC today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 27 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2009 Terry, Thanks for that. Will his relatives know or should I pass on the information? Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 27 November , 2009 Share Posted 27 November , 2009 Bill You had better do it as the case did not come from the relatives and so CWGC will have no contact details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 27 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2009 OK will do. By the way I see they have no age. He was born in 1890 in Loughton, Essex. I will check my files to see if there is a date and/or parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 27 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2009 No further details except he was the son of a Mr W Vincent. I will see if the relatives have any more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 27 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2009 Well the first relative contacted is delighted by the news and I have asked for any additional information that might expand the listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 28 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2009 Terry, The additional details on Capt Vincent are that his parents were William Vincent & Mary Pither. They ran Loughton School in Loughton Essex. Seymour was an assistant master here before the war. Born 1890. I believe his line of the family died with him (he was unmarried) and the information comes from a cousin, Margaret Robbins (the Pither side of the family, I think). Is there some way we can go about getting this additional information on the CWGC entry? This from British History online: Secondary education for boys (in Loughton) was provided after 1902 by means of scholarships to Loughton school, a private school then run by William Vincent. Since 1938 Loughton boys have gone to Buckhurst Hill County High School (see Chigwell).... Loughton School was opened in 1890 under the name of St. John's College, Loughton. Soon after its foundation the school was acquired by William Vincent, who remained owner and headmaster until his retirement in 1924. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwood Posted 28 November , 2009 Share Posted 28 November , 2009 I have an article from the The war illustrated album de luxe vol 9 , about the Kensingtons. It has a group pic of the officers including 2nd Lt S L Vincent. If anyone would like a copy please contact me Norwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 28 November , 2009 Share Posted 28 November , 2009 Bill CWGC is no longer adding NoK info at will. They are now reverting to their original policy (which was never officially terminated) of only adding substantial info at the request of close relatives. Also, confirming documentation has to be provided. As Nok are involved here this may be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 28 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2009 OK. I assume we are talking Birth Certificates which may be a problem. How 'close' is a close relative BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 28 November , 2009 Share Posted 28 November , 2009 Birth certificates are only of any use if they prove that the person is the same one that died! In most cases they do not do that - unless there is other connecting evidence. Details from service papers are better. An obituary can help. A close relative is usually a parent, child, sibling, spouse - or any 'grand' versions of those relationships. However, others can come into play in various circumstances. It is not set in stone. It is so long ago now that I have forgotten exactly what was in the surving service papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 28 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2009 The copies of the papers I have concentrated on the abduction and murder by the IRA so I don't know what else of a personal nature there is. At some point in the next few months I am due a trip to the NA and I will try to remember to have a look. There is, AFAIK, no immediate family as I believe he was an only child who died without issue. I will see what else I can find. Also, Kensington article and photo passed on to family and much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 28 November , 2009 Share Posted 28 November , 2009 His grave is inscribed 'Age 30'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 19 September , 2011 Share Posted 19 September , 2011 I am trying to put together his life at the moment Notes on this link - click I would be grateful if anyone can add to or correct what I have. Vincent's case is perhaps the strangest of the deaths of British soldiers that I have looked at. 1. I can find nothing in the press about his disappearance, nor ca I find anything in IRA sources 2. He is not on the list of missing officers put out by the British government at the Truce 3. I cannot find a MIC 4. His CWGC citation reads "Capt" when the Gazette clearly has him a Lt. He was even gazetted out shortly after his death as a Lt 5. He did register as a teacher in 1921 (came through after his death) and that has details of him teaching in 1919 to 1921, when he was clearly still in the army My feeling is that he was Intelligence - all the hallmarks are there, which always makes it difficult to trace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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