Frajohn Posted 6 November , 2009 Share Posted 6 November , 2009 Hi This was with the possesions of a soldier who served in the Lancashire Fusiliers. Would it be worn with / behind a cap badge? Many thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 6 November , 2009 Share Posted 6 November , 2009 No it is a brush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 7 November , 2009 Share Posted 7 November , 2009 It's upside down and it does look as though there is a loop at the top which is infact the bottom. The primrose yellow plume has faded and looks 'bleached'. So it's been worn in one of two types of head-dress, but not behind the cap badge (i) the racoon skin cap, or(ii) the foreign service helmet. I have two of these in my own collection to the Northumberland Fusiliers, both made of the same hair but white and tipped red at the end. When worn with the racoon skin cap there is usually a ring placed over the loop, then slid up the plume to make it flare out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 7 November , 2009 Share Posted 7 November , 2009 It would look like this worn in the racoon skin cap(on the left of the wearer), but I believe the Lancashire Fusiliers wore theirs on the right hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 7 November , 2009 Share Posted 7 November , 2009 See atached... The Lancashire Fusiliers wore the plume on the left side. Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frajohn Posted 8 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 8 November , 2009 Graham, Max & Seph Many thanks for the information. His Gransdson will be most grateful! He was a regular in 1st Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers, having joined in 1902 Kind regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy 2 Posted 8 November , 2009 Share Posted 8 November , 2009 It is called a "Hackle" and worn on the side of the cap. Lancashire Fusiliers wore yellow one. also painted on side of helmets It is called a "Hackle" and worn on the side of the cap.<BR>Lancashire Fusiliers wore yellow one. also painted on side of helmets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 8 November , 2009 Share Posted 8 November , 2009 At nearly 15-inches in length, I'm not convinced that the item in qustion is a plume/hackle.... but as Max7474 originally suggested.. a brush. I recall my own sgt-maj having such an item in use when dressing for a regimental parade. Several other S/Nco's also used similar items. I've atached a pic of a LF's Hackle from the Great War period. Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 8 November , 2009 Share Posted 8 November , 2009 Looks to be a metric measure. 15cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 8 November , 2009 Share Posted 8 November , 2009 Looks to be a metric measure. 15cm. ooops! dead crafty these metrics! Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 An interesting item. I'lll try and taker a comparative picture from a uniform in the LF Museum this week. Calling it a 'plume' is not quite as bad as referring to it as a 'feather', which is bound to raise the 'hackles' of any Fusilier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frajohn Posted 9 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 9 November , 2009 Thank you all for the additional information. Mark Are you aware of what additional information might be available from the Lancashire Fusiliers Museum? Is it worth contacting them? Apart from his MIC and 'Small Book' I have little information. His records do not appear to have survived the blitz. His grandson does have a book of A4 size photographs of the 1st Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers 1910. I would think about 15 to 20 in all, they are very good quality. There was also another book dated 1918, mainly text. I will scan the covers this evening and put them on here Kind regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 It is called a "Hackle" and worn on the side of the cap. Lancashire Fusiliers wore yellow one. also painted on side of helmets It is called a "Hackle" and worn on the side of the cap.<BR>Lancashire Fusiliers wore yellow one. also painted on side of helmets It's not a "hackle" at all during this period of time it's a horse hair plume - the "hackle" was introduced later for wear with the beret and is made from chicken feathers. The official colour of the Lancs Fusilies plume and hackle were "primrose" yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy 2 Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 I bow to your greater knowledge, Plume or hackle, it wasn't worn behind the cap badge!!!! bought a hackle at LF museum last week. thats why you don't see many yellow chickens around Bury The museum keep rustling them Very "primrose" yellowed faced Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 Not to worry Paul it's taken me all of 43yrs to get the hang of all these foibles we have with dress within the British Army and I'm still learning. Had to laugh about the "chicken rustling" in Bury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy 2 Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 Wasn't sure Graham some folk get very touchy about these things. if in doubt try humour I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 9 November , 2009 Share Posted 9 November , 2009 Although not Great War, but interesting regarding this post, all four hackles of the Fusilier Brigade displayed by junior soldiers, before the formation of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers on St.Georges Day, 23rd April 1968 - being white(Royal Fusiliers); primrose yellow(Lancashire Fusiliers); purple/orange(Royal Warwickshire Fusiliers) created especially for the formation of the new regiment; red over white(Royal Northumberland Fusiliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjec Posted 10 November , 2009 Share Posted 10 November , 2009 Link to an "unofficial" but very good Lancashire Fusiliers web site with WW1 content. http://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/ Regards, Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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