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Hello. Im new here. Thought you might be interested in a few old shell casings I have. Maybe you can give me some of the back ground in return.

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Here you see a 105mm M14B1 centred with a 40mm shell either side dated 1941 and 1942 and then on the outside, 2 German shells dated 1917 and 1918.

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Here are the 2 German shells. One with markings 'st 235 POLTE MAGDEBURG JAN 1917 sp406'

The other marked ' "FN" with a circle around it st144 AUG 1918, 67% stamped right next to the fireing pin and what looks like HC27.

These have both been engraved by my Great Grandfather as follows,

"Fired by German Bty captured at Armistice Line 10-11-1918" (10th Nov.)

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The 2 40mm were handed down to me from my Grandad who served in WW2. Im not sure but think they may have been fired from an aircraft as he was in the Airforce. Marked as follows,

'40mm II RLB LOT773 1941CF' on the outer band and 'R & Co 41 an arrow No18II 1406 CY I-42' on the inner section. It appears to be a removable primer. The other appears to have similar markings only rather than having R&Co it has 'ISX'.

The 105mm was fired by my father who never went to war. Served in the Australian Army Reserve Artillery.

Hope you enjoy the pics and info.

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I suspect your 40 mm were most likely to be from AA guns than airraft. Only the Huricane IID was equiped with 40mm guns and most of these were used in the Western Desert for tank busting. One squadron in Britain was fitted with the 40mm. However there would be plenty of 40 mm Bofors AA guns

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Just to add a little to the point Centuron made about 40mm rounds.

The rounds you have are for the 40mm L/60 Bofors anti-aircraft gun and were made at the Royal Ordnance Factory at Birtley in 1941. The "CF" means the rounds are loaded with Cordite, Full charge. What you call the inner section is the primer and that is a No.18 Mark II that was made by Rowntrees of York (R & Co). in 1941 and filled at ROF Chorley (CY).

The 40 mm round that was used in the Hurricane was a diffferent round altogether and was the 40mm S Gun. However, all this is WW2 so is rather off topic here!

I am no specialist on the German WWI cases that you show, so I will leave it to others to give you the details, but I can tell you that Polte at Magdeburg were a major German ammunition producer in both wars and the one marked FN was made at Fabrique Nationale in Herstal Liege, Belgium, under German occupation.

Regards

TonyE

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TonyE,

FN in a circle is not Fabrique Nationale under german occupation but the german factory of Friedrich Neumeyer in Nürnberg.

In 1914/1915 they used the abbriviation "Fr. Neumeyer" on their cases which later changed to FN in a circle.

Regards Arjen

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The 40 mm round that was used in the Hurricane was a diffferent round altogether and was the 40mm S Gun. However, all this is WW2 so is rather off topic here!

There were actually two types of 40mm fitted to Hurricanes (although mainly the S gun) but as you say off topic

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