high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 I have a photograph album that once belonged to a Violet Annie May Hoblyn who served with the Voluntry Aid Detachment in Rouen in 1919. There are many pictures of her and her friend, Mary Dunford in the album. If any one has any information about either of them I would be very pleased to receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Mary and ambulance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 I have a photograph album that once belonged to a Violet Annie May Hoblyn who served with the Voluntry Aid Detachment in Rouen in 1919. There are many pictures of her and her friend, Mary Dunford in the album. If any one has any information about either of them I would be very pleased to receive it. Violet was born in the June Quarter of 1900: Hoblyn Violet Annie M Plymouth 5b 220 In the 1901 census: Civil parish: Plymouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: Charles RG13; Piece: 2097; Folio: 123; Page: 33 Address: 22 Edith Terrace Samuel Hoblyn, Head, Married, 31, Commercial Clerk, Worker, Born Cornwall St Columb Mary E Hoblyn, Wife, Married, 31, Born Cornwall, St Columb Samuel H C Hoblyn, Son, 4, Born Devon, Plymouth Violet A M Hoblyn, Daughter, 10 months, Born Devon, Plymouth 1911 census Registration District: Tavistock Sub-District: Tavistock Parish: Tavistock County: Devonshire Ref: RG14PN13089 RG78PN755 RD279 SD2 ED18 SN120 Address: Woodside Mount Tavy Road Tavistock Samuel Hoblyn, Head, 42, Married, Married 16 years, 4 children, 4 living, Solicitors Clerk, Worker, Born St Columb, Cornwall Mary Ellen Hoblyn, Wife, 42, Married, Married 16 years, 4 children, 4 living, Born Mawgan, St Columb, Cornwall Saml Hy C Hoblyn, Son, 14, School, Born Plymouth, Devon Violet Annie May Hoblyn, Daughter, 10, School, Born Plymouth, Devon Gladys Mary Hoblin, Daughter, 5, School, Born Devon, Tavistock William Edward Richard Hoblyn, Son, 1, Born Devon, Tavistock William Hoblyn, Brother, 61, Married, Born St Columb, Cornwall Olive Grigg, Servant, 16, Single, House Maid Domestic, Born Advent, Cornwall Richard Oliver, Visitor, 56, Widower, Married 16 years, 5 children, 3 living, 2 deceased, House Painter, Own account Born Holsworthy, Devon. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 This appears to be the marriage of Violet's parents: December Quarter 1894 Hoblyn Samuel Plymouth 5b 508 Cobeldick Mary Ellen Plymouth 5b 508 Iwas unable to locate a marriage or death for Violet. Unfortunately there are too many possibilities for Mary Dunford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Doug, many thanks for the information. The only female Hoblyn that I can find a medal index card for is Joan W Hoblyn, VAD British Red Cross. I am not sure if she is related to Violet. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Ah, just found her marriage and death: Marriages March Quarter 1927 Hoblyn May V A Spouse Perry Plymouth 5b 371 Perry Henry H Spouse Hoblyn Plymouth 5b 371 Deaths July 1984 Perry Violet Annie M, Born 4 May 1900, Age 84, Plymouth, 21 1462 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Doug, many thanks for the information. The only female Hoblyn that I can find a medal index card for is Joan W Hoblyn, VAD British Red Cross. I am not sure if she is related to Violet. Simon. Hi Simon, This might be her (helps that Hoblyn is an unusual name): Births December Quarter 1893 Hoblyn Joan Winifred Isle of Wight 2b 614 From a tree on Ancestry her parents appear to be Edward Florence Hoblyn and Alice Caroline Warburton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Doug, thank you again, your help is much appreciated. Given the St Jude, Plymouth connection that you have uncovered, I have found a possible link for an officer called Tremaine in another posting about two officers that appear in the same photograph album. (See Soldiers section). It seems that the wife of Leonard Bertam Tremaine of St Jude lost her life in the second Great War. TREMAINE, BEATRICE Civilian War Dead Age: 52 Date of Death: 13/06/1943 Additional information: of 68 Salisbury Road, St. Judes. Widow of Leonard Bertram Tremaine. Died at 68 Salisbury Road. Her husband would have been about the right age to have been a Great War officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 This may be the birth for Leonard Tremaine then: June Quarter 1890 Tremaine Leonard Bertram East Stonehouse, Devon 5b 288 I was unable to find a marriage for them but there is an incoming passenger list on Ancestry for this family with the parents fitting the ages: Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Arrival Date: 22 Dec 1914 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Hesperian Last residence Canada, Intended residence England Tremaine, Bertram, Clerk, 25 Tremaine Beatrice, Wife, 22 Tremaine Bert J, 3 Tremaine Phillis, 11/12 Findmypast has an outgoing record for: Name: Bertram TREMAINE Date of departure: 15 July 1913 Port of departure: Bristol Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada Sex: Male Occupation: Clerk Ship: Royal George Official Number: 125643 Master's name: T J Thompson Steamship Line: Royal Line Where bound: Montreal, Canada Square feet: 16230 Registered tonnage: 5685 Passengers on voyage: 1015 All conjecture of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2009 I have checked the Canadian Expeditionary Force database and I cannot find any mention of Leonard Bertram Tremaine. I cannot find him on the National Archives documents on line database either. There is a Bert Tremaine who served in the MGC. It is probably just a coincidence that somebody called Tremaine should appear in a photograph album that originated in St Judes and that a woman called Tremaine died in St Judes forty years later. This photograph taken in Rouen in 1920 shows Clark, Stone, Neill, Dunford and Sergt Cornwall, ASC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 The Canadian incoming lists records Bertram Tremaine and gives us nothing new other than to confirm he is British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Violet Hoblyn seems to have worked in Postal censorship at Strand House between 1917 and 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 2 November , 2009 Share Posted 2 November , 2009 Now we are getting somewhere: 1911 census Registration District: Plymouth Sub District: Plymouth South East Parish: Plymouth County: Devonshire Ref: RG14PN12971 RG78PN748 RD276 SD2 ED13 SN307 Address: 79 South View Terrace Plymouth David James Ryder, Head, 47, Married, Married 24 years, 6 children, 4 living, 2 deceased, Bricklayer, Building & Contracting, Worker, Born Plymouth, Devon Sarah Ryder, Wife, 44, Married, Born Tavistock, Devon David Henry Ryder, Son, 21, Single, Carpenter, Building & Contracting, Worker, Born tavistock, Devon Beatrice Tremaine (sic), Daughter, 19, Married, Married 1/2 year, Born Plymouth, Devon Annie May Ryder, Daughter, 15, Single, Dressmaker Apprentice, Born Plymouth, Devon Maud Ethel Ryder, daughter, 12, Single, School, Born Devonport, Devon Amanda Kate Ryder, Daughter, 9, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon William Arthur Ryder, Son, 4, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon Bertram Tremain (sic) , Son in law, 21, Married Married 1/2 year, Clerk at Clothing Club?, Worker, Born Stonehouse, Devon Bertram Aro? Tremaine (sic), Grandson, 3 months, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon. Based on this I think the birth for Leonard in post 9 is for this character now calling himself Bertram and that he and his family went to Canada in 1913 and returned in 1914. The death for Beatrice that you found would be this man's wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2009 The locations mentioned in the album may provide clues. Names as indicated in the album. Totland Bay. August 1916: Jasper, Tremonies?, Self. Loughton. Mrs Shaw's cottage, June 1918. (Three possibilities for Loughton: Essex, Buckinghamshire or Shropshire. Totland Bay, September 1917. Violet Rouse. Totland Bay. 1918. Hurstleigh. Picnic at Victoria. Rouses, Jenours and Kathleen. Rouen. 1919. Pompey. Lingfield, Surrey. 1919. Ashford Lodge. Totland Bay. April 1920. Guy Jenkin, Kathleen. Eagle Lodge. June 1920. Colonel Morris, Peter Tidy. Rouen. March 1920. Mary Dunford at No 6 Hospital. Weston Bank. April 1920, Eagle Lodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 3 November , 2009 Share Posted 3 November , 2009 Unable to pick up anything concrete I am afraid. The only Shaw I can find in 1911 at Loughton is this family in Essex (but there may be others that the search missed): SHAW, Arthur Herbert Head Married 54 Commercial Clerk Middlesex Dalston SHAW, Emily Wife Married 27 years 47 London Holborn SHAW, Arthur Cyril Son Single 21 Importer And Merchant Middlesex East Finchley SHAW, Winifred Golding Daughter Single 22 Retoucher Middlesex East Finchley SHAW, Leonard Herbert Son 14 School Middlesex Hornsey SHAW, Wilfred Howard Son 7 1904 School Middlesex Palmers Green Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2009 Mrs Shaw's house at Loughton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2009 The Shaw's possibly had a daughter called Freda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 4 November , 2009 Share Posted 4 November , 2009 Who could be Winifred in post 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2009 Indeed she could. If I was called Winifred I would certainly shorten my name. Other names include Violet Rouse and the Jenours, who I expect are the Jenour family. With this album it is difficult to know if the captions refer to christian or surnames. At Totland Bay, September 1917 the following names are mentioned: Kathleen, William, Miss Bremner, Bobby, Freda and Violet Rouse. At Hurstleigh, which I presume is the house name, Totland Bay, 1918, the following names are mentioned: Norah, William, Venice, Kathleen and Freda. It seems that shared holidays were a common occurence with the same favourite destination each year. If we could only unravel the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2009 I have found a reference to a Lieut Colonel Arthur Stawell Jenour, RGA-Staff who seems to have lived on the Isle of Wight. I wonder if Violet Hoblyn stayed with his family during their summer holidays at Totland Bay. Also, I have found a reference to Josephine Mary Flavell Jenour who was born in 1845 and who lived in St Columb, Cornwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 4 November , 2009 Share Posted 4 November , 2009 This is interesting: 1911 census Registration District: Oxford Sub District: Oxford Parish: St Thomas County: Oxfordshire Ref: RG14PN8151 RG78PN413 RD153 SD1 ED10 SN354 Address: Bridge House, 17 Botley Road Oxford Andrew Walsh, Head, 38, Married, Married 11 years, 3 children, 2 living, 1 deceased, Solicitor, Born Tar Wood House, Southfield? Raymond Percival Andrew Walsh, Son, 9, School, Born Summerton, City of Oxford Francis James Andrew Walsh, Son, 6, Summerton, City of Oxford James G Brian Tufton Walsh, Brother, 28, Married, British Vice Consul, Born Bicester, Oxon Venice Rouse, Servant, 33, Single, House Keeper, Born Toronto, Canada Elizabeth Mary Payne, Servant, 25, Single, Domestic Servant Cook, Born Reading, Berks Annie Emily Thatcher, Servant, 20, Single, Domestic Servant Housemaid, Born Bristol, Somerset Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 4 November , 2009 Share Posted 4 November , 2009 1911 census Registration District: Isle of Wight Sub District: Calbourne Parish: Totland County: Hampshire Ref: RG14PN5771 RG78PN263 RD93 SD6 ED5 SN51 Address: The Chalet Totland Bay Isle of Wight Arthur Stawell Jenour, Head, 43, Married, Major Royal Garrison Artillery, Cape Town, Cape Colony Emilie Anna Jenour, Wife, 42, Married, Married 14 years, 4 children, 3 living, 1 deceased, Newport, Monmouthshire Dorothy Margaret Jenour, 13, Jamaica Violet Brynon Jenour, 11, Marshfield, Monmouthshire Arthur Maynard Jenour, Son 5, Plymouth, Devonshire Germaine Marie Barret, Servant, 22, Single, Nursery Governess, France (Visitor) Ethel Spencer, Servant, 24, Single, Cook Domestic, Ryde, Isle of Wight Ethel Caistor, Servant, 31, Single, House Parlourmaid, Dover, Kent Hilton George New, Servant, 17, Single, House Boy, Totland, Isle of Wight Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 4 November , 2009 Share Posted 4 November , 2009 1911 census Registration District: St Columb Sub District: St Columb Parish: Newquay County: Cornwall Ref: RG14PN13730 RG78PN811 RD294 SD2 ED10 SN175 Address: Dunmow New-Quay Josephine Mary Favell Jenour, 66, Single, Private Means, Pilton, Northants Elizabeth Mary Rickett?, Friend, 66, Single, Macao, Chine Ethel Pearce, 26, Single, General Servant, Newquay Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 4 November , 2009 Share Posted 4 November , 2009 1901 census Civil Parish: Newquay Town: Newquay County: Cornwall Ref: RG13; Piece: 2207; Folio: 8; Page: 8. Address: Edgcombe Place Caroline M Jenour, Head, Widow, 88, Living on own means, London, Hammersmith Josephine M Jenour, Daughter, Single, 56, Pilton, Hants Elizabeth M Rickett, Single, 56, China (British Subject) Mabel Stephens, Servant, Single, 21, Cook, Cornwall, Cubert Susan Stephens, Servant, Single, 17, Housemaid, Cornwall, Cubert Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2009 Doug, fascinating stuff. As I see it so far, Violet Hoblyn took her holiday at Totland Bay on the Isle of Wight in August 1916, where she played tennis with Jasper and Tremonie?, met Mrs Cantan (Canlan) and Mr Brown, an officer in either the Royal Engineers or Royal Artillery. She had larks with Tremonie, Jasper, Thomas and Freda, Ashey, Kathleen and Beatrice. Tremonie and Ashey served as Second Lieutenants in the DCLI. Violet worked in postal censorship between 1916 and 1919 at Strand House and at the new science buildings. In September 1917, she was back on holiday at Totland Bay where she was photographed on the lifeboat with Kathleen, William, Miss Bremnar, Bobby, Freda (Shaw) and Violet Rouse. In 1918 she was photographed at Hurstleigh, a house at Totland Bay with Norah, William, Venice, Kathleen and Freda. During this trip she had a picnic at Victoria with the Rouses, the Jenours and Kathleen. In 1919 she served with the VAD BRCS at Rouen in France in the Ambulance Car Section where she worked with Mary Dunford. Violet was at Lingfield in Surrey in 1919 with her mother, possibly staying at a large house called Ashford Lodge. In April 1920 she was back at Totland Bay with Guy Jenkin and Kathleen, staying at Eagle Lodge or Weston Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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