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Violet Hoblyn and Mary Dunford VAD

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I have a photograph album that once belonged to a Violet Annie May Hoblyn who served with the Voluntry Aid Detachment in Rouen in 1919. There are many pictures of her and her friend, Mary Dunford in the album. If any one has any information about either of them I would be very pleased to receive it.

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I have a photograph album that once belonged to a Violet Annie May Hoblyn who served with the Voluntry Aid Detachment in Rouen in 1919. There are many pictures of her and her friend, Mary Dunford in the album. If any one has any information about either of them I would be very pleased to receive it.

Violet was born in the June Quarter of 1900:

Hoblyn Violet Annie M Plymouth 5b 220

In the 1901 census:

Civil parish: Plymouth

Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude

County/Island: Devon

Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth

Sub-registration district: Charles

RG13; Piece: 2097; Folio: 123; Page: 33

Address: 22 Edith Terrace

Samuel Hoblyn, Head, Married, 31, Commercial Clerk, Worker, Born Cornwall St Columb

Mary E Hoblyn, Wife, Married, 31, Born Cornwall, St Columb

Samuel H C Hoblyn, Son, 4, Born Devon, Plymouth

Violet A M Hoblyn, Daughter, 10 months, Born Devon, Plymouth

1911 census

Registration District: Tavistock

Sub-District: Tavistock

Parish: Tavistock

County: Devonshire

Ref: RG14PN13089 RG78PN755 RD279 SD2 ED18 SN120

Address: Woodside Mount Tavy Road Tavistock

Samuel Hoblyn, Head, 42, Married, Married 16 years, 4 children, 4 living, Solicitors Clerk, Worker, Born St Columb, Cornwall

Mary Ellen Hoblyn, Wife, 42, Married, Married 16 years, 4 children, 4 living, Born Mawgan, St Columb, Cornwall

Saml Hy C Hoblyn, Son, 14, School, Born Plymouth, Devon

Violet Annie May Hoblyn, Daughter, 10, School, Born Plymouth, Devon

Gladys Mary Hoblin, Daughter, 5, School, Born Devon, Tavistock

William Edward Richard Hoblyn, Son, 1, Born Devon, Tavistock

William Hoblyn, Brother, 61, Married, Born St Columb, Cornwall

Olive Grigg, Servant, 16, Single, House Maid Domestic, Born Advent, Cornwall

Richard Oliver, Visitor, 56, Widower, Married 16 years, 5 children, 3 living, 2 deceased, House Painter, Own account Born Holsworthy, Devon.

Doug

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This appears to be the marriage of Violet's parents:

December Quarter 1894

Hoblyn Samuel Plymouth 5b 508

Cobeldick Mary Ellen Plymouth 5b 508

Iwas unable to locate a marriage or death for Violet.

Unfortunately there are too many possibilities for Mary Dunford.

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Doug,

many thanks for the information. The only female Hoblyn that I can find a medal index card for is Joan W Hoblyn, VAD British Red Cross. I am not sure if she is related to Violet.

Simon.

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Ah, just found her marriage and death:

Marriages March Quarter 1927

Hoblyn May V A Spouse Perry Plymouth 5b 371

Perry Henry H Spouse Hoblyn Plymouth 5b 371

Deaths July 1984

Perry Violet Annie M, Born 4 May 1900, Age 84, Plymouth, 21 1462

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Doug,

many thanks for the information. The only female Hoblyn that I can find a medal index card for is Joan W Hoblyn, VAD British Red Cross. I am not sure if she is related to Violet.

Simon.

Hi Simon,

This might be her (helps that Hoblyn is an unusual name):

Births December Quarter 1893

Hoblyn Joan Winifred Isle of Wight 2b 614

From a tree on Ancestry her parents appear to be Edward Florence Hoblyn and Alice Caroline Warburton.

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Doug,

thank you again, your help is much appreciated. Given the St Jude, Plymouth connection that you have uncovered, I have found a possible link for an officer called Tremaine in another posting about two officers that appear in the same photograph album. (See Soldiers section). It seems that the wife of Leonard Bertam Tremaine of St Jude lost her life in the second Great War.

TREMAINE, BEATRICE

Civilian War Dead

Age: 52

Date of Death: 13/06/1943

Additional information: of 68 Salisbury Road, St. Judes. Widow of Leonard Bertram Tremaine. Died at 68 Salisbury Road. Her husband would have been about the right age to have been a Great War officer.

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This may be the birth for Leonard Tremaine then:

June Quarter 1890

Tremaine Leonard Bertram East Stonehouse, Devon 5b 288

I was unable to find a marriage for them but there is an incoming passenger list on Ancestry for this family with the parents fitting the ages:

Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada

Arrival Date: 22 Dec 1914

Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England

Ship Name: Hesperian

Last residence Canada, Intended residence England

Tremaine, Bertram, Clerk, 25

Tremaine Beatrice, Wife, 22

Tremaine Bert J, 3

Tremaine Phillis, 11/12

Findmypast has an outgoing record for:

Name: Bertram TREMAINE

Date of departure: 15 July 1913

Port of departure: Bristol

Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada

Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada

Sex: Male

Occupation: Clerk

Ship: Royal George

Official Number: 125643

Master's name: T J Thompson

Steamship Line: Royal Line

Where bound: Montreal, Canada

Square feet: 16230

Registered tonnage: 5685

Passengers on voyage: 1015

All conjecture of course.

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I have checked the Canadian Expeditionary Force database and I cannot find any mention of Leonard Bertram Tremaine. I cannot find him on the National Archives documents on line database either. There is a Bert Tremaine who served in the MGC.

It is probably just a coincidence that somebody called Tremaine should appear in a photograph album that originated in St Judes and that a woman called Tremaine died in St Judes forty years later.

This photograph taken in Rouen in 1920 shows Clark, Stone, Neill, Dunford and Sergt Cornwall, ASC?

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The Canadian incoming lists records Bertram Tremaine and gives us nothing new other than to confirm he is British.

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Violet Hoblyn seems to have worked in Postal censorship at Strand House between 1917 and 1919.

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Now we are getting somewhere:

1911 census

Registration District: Plymouth

Sub District: Plymouth South East

Parish: Plymouth

County: Devonshire

Ref: RG14PN12971 RG78PN748 RD276 SD2 ED13 SN307

Address: 79 South View Terrace Plymouth

David James Ryder, Head, 47, Married, Married 24 years, 6 children, 4 living, 2 deceased, Bricklayer, Building & Contracting, Worker, Born Plymouth, Devon

Sarah Ryder, Wife, 44, Married, Born Tavistock, Devon

David Henry Ryder, Son, 21, Single, Carpenter, Building & Contracting, Worker, Born tavistock, Devon

Beatrice Tremaine (sic), Daughter, 19, Married, Married 1/2 year, Born Plymouth, Devon

Annie May Ryder, Daughter, 15, Single, Dressmaker Apprentice, Born Plymouth, Devon

Maud Ethel Ryder, daughter, 12, Single, School, Born Devonport, Devon

Amanda Kate Ryder, Daughter, 9, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon

William Arthur Ryder, Son, 4, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon

Bertram Tremain (sic) , Son in law, 21, Married Married 1/2 year, Clerk at Clothing Club?, Worker, Born Stonehouse, Devon

Bertram Aro? Tremaine (sic), Grandson, 3 months, Single, Born Plymouth, Devon.

Based on this I think the birth for Leonard in post 9 is for this character now calling himself Bertram and that he and his family went to Canada in 1913 and returned in 1914. The death for Beatrice that you found would be this man's wife.

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The locations mentioned in the album may provide clues. Names as indicated in the album.

Totland Bay. August 1916: Jasper, Tremonies?, Self.

Loughton. Mrs Shaw's cottage, June 1918. (Three possibilities for Loughton: Essex, Buckinghamshire or Shropshire.

Totland Bay, September 1917. Violet Rouse.

Totland Bay. 1918. Hurstleigh.

Picnic at Victoria. Rouses, Jenours and Kathleen.

Rouen. 1919. Pompey.

Lingfield, Surrey. 1919. Ashford Lodge.

Totland Bay. April 1920. Guy Jenkin, Kathleen.

Eagle Lodge. June 1920. Colonel Morris, Peter Tidy.

Rouen. March 1920. Mary Dunford at No 6 Hospital.

Weston Bank. April 1920, Eagle Lodge.

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Unable to pick up anything concrete I am afraid.

The only Shaw I can find in 1911 at Loughton is this family in Essex (but there may be others that the search missed):

SHAW, Arthur Herbert Head Married 54 Commercial Clerk Middlesex Dalston

SHAW, Emily Wife Married 27 years 47 London Holborn

SHAW, Arthur Cyril Son Single 21 Importer And Merchant Middlesex East Finchley

SHAW, Winifred Golding Daughter Single 22 Retoucher Middlesex East Finchley

SHAW, Leonard Herbert Son 14 School Middlesex Hornsey

SHAW, Wilfred Howard Son 7 1904 School Middlesex Palmers Green

Doug

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Mrs Shaw's house at Loughton.

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The Shaw's possibly had a daughter called Freda.

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Who could be Winifred in post 15.

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Indeed she could. If I was called Winifred I would certainly shorten my name.

Other names include Violet Rouse and the Jenours, who I expect are the Jenour family. With this album it is difficult to know if the captions refer to christian or surnames.

At Totland Bay, September 1917 the following names are mentioned: Kathleen, William, Miss Bremner, Bobby, Freda and Violet Rouse.

At Hurstleigh, which I presume is the house name, Totland Bay, 1918, the following names are mentioned: Norah, William, Venice, Kathleen and Freda.

It seems that shared holidays were a common occurence with the same favourite destination each year. If we could only unravel the thread.

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I have found a reference to a Lieut Colonel Arthur Stawell Jenour, RGA-Staff who seems to have lived on the Isle of Wight. I wonder if Violet Hoblyn stayed with his family during their summer holidays at Totland Bay.

Also, I have found a reference to Josephine Mary Flavell Jenour who was born in 1845 and who lived in St Columb, Cornwall.

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This is interesting:

1911 census

Registration District: Oxford

Sub District: Oxford

Parish: St Thomas

County: Oxfordshire

Ref: RG14PN8151 RG78PN413 RD153 SD1 ED10 SN354

Address: Bridge House, 17 Botley Road Oxford

Andrew Walsh, Head, 38, Married, Married 11 years, 3 children, 2 living, 1 deceased, Solicitor, Born Tar Wood House, Southfield?

Raymond Percival Andrew Walsh, Son, 9, School, Born Summerton, City of Oxford

Francis James Andrew Walsh, Son, 6, Summerton, City of Oxford

James G Brian Tufton Walsh, Brother, 28, Married, British Vice Consul, Born Bicester, Oxon

Venice Rouse, Servant, 33, Single, House Keeper, Born Toronto, Canada

Elizabeth Mary Payne, Servant, 25, Single, Domestic Servant Cook, Born Reading, Berks

Annie Emily Thatcher, Servant, 20, Single, Domestic Servant Housemaid, Born Bristol, Somerset

Doug

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1911 census

Registration District: Isle of Wight

Sub District: Calbourne

Parish: Totland

County: Hampshire

Ref: RG14PN5771 RG78PN263 RD93 SD6 ED5 SN51

Address: The Chalet Totland Bay Isle of Wight

Arthur Stawell Jenour, Head, 43, Married, Major Royal Garrison Artillery, Cape Town, Cape Colony

Emilie Anna Jenour, Wife, 42, Married, Married 14 years, 4 children, 3 living, 1 deceased, Newport, Monmouthshire

Dorothy Margaret Jenour, 13, Jamaica

Violet Brynon Jenour, 11, Marshfield, Monmouthshire

Arthur Maynard Jenour, Son 5, Plymouth, Devonshire

Germaine Marie Barret, Servant, 22, Single, Nursery Governess, France (Visitor)

Ethel Spencer, Servant, 24, Single, Cook Domestic, Ryde, Isle of Wight

Ethel Caistor, Servant, 31, Single, House Parlourmaid, Dover, Kent

Hilton George New, Servant, 17, Single, House Boy, Totland, Isle of Wight

Doug

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1911 census

Registration District: St Columb

Sub District: St Columb

Parish: Newquay

County: Cornwall

Ref: RG14PN13730 RG78PN811 RD294 SD2 ED10 SN175

Address: Dunmow New-Quay

Josephine Mary Favell Jenour, 66, Single, Private Means, Pilton, Northants

Elizabeth Mary Rickett?, Friend, 66, Single, Macao, Chine

Ethel Pearce, 26, Single, General Servant, Newquay

Doug

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1901 census

Civil Parish: Newquay

Town: Newquay

County: Cornwall

Ref: RG13; Piece: 2207; Folio: 8; Page: 8.

Address: Edgcombe Place

Caroline M Jenour, Head, Widow, 88, Living on own means, London, Hammersmith

Josephine M Jenour, Daughter, Single, 56, Pilton, Hants

Elizabeth M Rickett, Single, 56, China (British Subject)

Mabel Stephens, Servant, Single, 21, Cook, Cornwall, Cubert

Susan Stephens, Servant, Single, 17, Housemaid, Cornwall, Cubert

Doug

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Doug,

fascinating stuff. As I see it so far, Violet Hoblyn took her holiday at Totland Bay on the Isle of Wight in August 1916, where she played tennis with Jasper and Tremonie?, met Mrs Cantan (Canlan) and Mr Brown, an officer in either the Royal Engineers or Royal Artillery. She had larks with Tremonie, Jasper, Thomas and Freda, Ashey, Kathleen and Beatrice.

Tremonie and Ashey served as Second Lieutenants in the DCLI.

Violet worked in postal censorship between 1916 and 1919 at Strand House and at the new science buildings.

In September 1917, she was back on holiday at Totland Bay where she was photographed on the lifeboat with Kathleen, William, Miss Bremnar, Bobby, Freda (Shaw) and Violet Rouse.

In 1918 she was photographed at Hurstleigh, a house at Totland Bay with Norah, William, Venice, Kathleen and Freda. During this trip she had a picnic at Victoria with the Rouses, the Jenours and Kathleen.

In 1919 she served with the VAD BRCS at Rouen in France in the Ambulance Car Section where she worked with Mary Dunford.

Violet was at Lingfield in Surrey in 1919 with her mother, possibly staying at a large house called Ashford Lodge.

In April 1920 she was back at Totland Bay with Guy Jenkin and Kathleen, staying at Eagle Lodge or Weston Bank.

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