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PrivateROBERTS, NORMAN DAVID

Service Number 2207396

Died 23/02/1921

53 Coy.
Canadian Forestry Corps

 

Commemoration Moved From Brookwood 1914-18 Memorial to Llangollen Fron Cemetery.

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PrivatePULLEN, JAMES ROBERT

Service Number 536261

Died 29/12/1920

Canadian Army Medical Corps

 

Commemoration Moved From Canadian BOR to Reading Cemetery.

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 17:41, chrisharley9 said:

Second Lieutenant
SANBORN, WILLIAM REGINALD
Died 07/02/1918

Aged 22

Royal Flying Corps

formerly (Pte. 522953) 3rd Canadian Field Amb.
Canadian Army Medical Corps

Son of William Henry and Alice Maud Sanborn, of 379 Dufferin Avenue, London, Ontario.

At present commemorated on Brookwood 1914-18 Memorial his grave has been found at London Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Ontario.

Commemoration now moved from Brookwood 1914-18 Memorial to London Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Ontario.

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laughton

A new memorial is being constructed to commemorate those that are currently only commemorated in the Canadian Book of Remembrance. We have been working with the Commonwealth War Graves Commission - Canadian Agency to try and locate as many of these men as possible prior to the memorial being put in place. Note that the "Canadian Book of Remembrance" is different from the "Books of Remembrance" that are held in the Peace Tower at the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa. Those books commemorate all lost souls of 7 different categories or actions.

 

There are a few of these that have been sent back to the CWGC UK for research, as the CWGC CA only deals with those on this side of the pond. That is a vast area that covers all of Canada, USA, Caribbean and as far south as the Falkland Islands.

 

The main page for the research on these men on the CEFSG is here:

CWGC Canadian Agency: List of Soldiers Hunted

The short list of those that are still in the CBR that we have been cross checking the last few weeks is here:

Canadian Book of Remembrance - Cross Check

You can download the spreadsheet from our Shared MediaFire site at this link:

 

Canadian Book of Remembrance Circa 2018

 

You will note that the case of George Sydney Gould came from the IFC Project initially. Once we started checking on him, we could see that he was lost in the paperwork. A report on his case was sent to the CWGC:

December 10, 2016: CWGC File #349
Private Gould Ecoivres Military Cemetery Plot 5 Row C Grave 24

 

I have marked the "surname *" if it is believed they are still in the GWF area. If anyone within the GWF is located in those areas and has information, please let let us know.

 

surname forename Status (CEFSG CWGC Listing on Forum) death rank unit #
ANDERSEN CHARLIE EMIL Found in Norway, needs update 13-10-20 Private 2nd Machine Gun Battalion CMGC '180705'
BEAUDRY GERMAIN Commemorative headstone pending 17-10-18 Private 2nd/2nd Depot Bn. (Quebec). '3165130'
BELLEMARE WILLIE Commemorative headstone pending 06-11-18 Private 2nd Depot Bn. (Quebec Regiment) '3161774'
BLACK DAVID Lost 28-09-18 Sapper Canadian Engineers '2014793'
BRISTOW GORDON Commemorative headstone pending 06-10-16 Private 156th Bn.  '640017'
CONROY * PETER Sent to CWGC UK for South Dublin 28-08-18 Private Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry '51100'
COOPER LEWIS CVWM - BOR - to go on new memorial 06-12-17 Private 40th Bn. '482056'
DONOGHUE ARTHUR JAMES CWGC CA updated 04-03-21 Sapper Canadian Engineers '642'
FLETCHER FREDERICK JOHN HENRY Lost at sea? 22-04-16 Signalman H.M.C.S. "Christine" RNCVR 'ON/640'
GADBOIS VICTOR Alain checking in Sanvic, France 13-12-19 Private 27th Bn. '226826'
GALLANT CLARENCE JOSEPH Kingtson St. Mary's status unknown 11-09-17 Private 20th (Reserve) Bn. '684731'
GORHAM CLIVE WILLIAM CWGC CA reports found 01-12-15 Sergeant Composite Bn. '685'
GOULD GEORGE SIDNEY Ecoivres M.C. Plot 5 Row C Grave 24 10-04-17 Private 29th Bn  '423027'
HARNIMAN CHARLES WAKEFIELD Lost at sea - to new memorial 07-05-19 Private 7th Bn. '766211'
HENEY * ROBERT CWGC UK -death registered Ireland 03-12-20 Driver 53rd Bn. '440834'
HOBBS * HENRY THOMAS Unknown cemetery Chelsea, UK 08-08-21 Sapper 4th Div. Canadian Engineers '504493'
KAYNE GEORGE ERSKINE Check sites in Jamaica (Saint Andrew's) 07-01-21 Sergeant 60th Bn. '457993'
LAMBERT WILLIAM HAMILTON Commemorative headstone pending 11-06-20 Captain Canadian Army Medical Corps  
LAVALLIE ARTHUR RAYMOND Lost in Wisconsin 24-10-19 Private 59th Coy. Canadian Forestry Corps '1012795'
LEITCH THOMAS THOMSON Drowned - see CVWM newspaper 21-05-17 Private 7th Bn.  '428674'
MACDONALD * DANIEL Possibly Isle of Inverness? 29-10-19 Leading Seaman H.M.C.S. "Niobe" RNCVR 'VR/5433'
MATTHEWS LEONARD SAMUEL My guess he is in Gravefield PQ 06-10-18 Private 2nd Depot Bn. (Eastern Ontario). '3325146'
MAYBEE OSCAR W. Check sites in Jamaica 23-10-20 Sergeant 39th Bn. '412396'
McGOWAN JAMES CWGC CA working with cemetery 04-09-18 Private 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion '116030'
McLEOD JOHN Currently still lost. 07-07-18 Private 1st Depot Bn. Nova Scotia Regiment '4059085'
MORRIS STEPHEN BRATTON Awaiting results from Oatka 17-04-20 Private No. 8 Coy. Canadian Forestry Corps '2356653'
NOXON GEORGE COURTLAND Drowned in Kapuskasing River - lost. 01-10-15 Lieutenant 10th Regt. attd. Kapuskasing Guard Coy.  
OUELLETTE JOSEPH O Lost - CWGC CA working on this case! 19-08-16 Private 22nd Bn. '411318'
ROBINSON THOMAS Commemorative headstone pending 11-04-19 Private 10th Bn. Canadian Inf. '81750'
ROSMUS ANDREW Jim (CEFSG jayelbee) located him 28-12-18 Private Depot Battalion, Manitoba Regiment '2379634'
SCOTT JOHN RICHARD DOUGLAS Drowned St. John, N.B. - not found 23-12-15 Private Canaidan Army Medical Corps, #2 Stn Hosp. '50911'
SIM JAMES Why not on Halifax Memorial? 06-12-17 Able Seaman H.M.C.S. "Niobe" RNCVR 'VR/5640'
SULLIVAN JOHN CWGC CA working with cemetery 11-04-20 Private 8th (Reserve) Bn. '3031034'
WALKER GEORGE HERVEY Awaiting Ottawa based research 02-10-18 Sapper Canadian Engineers '2013589'
WALKER JOHN CONWAY Commemorative headstone pending 13-07-18 Bombardier 12th Siege Bty. Canadian Garrison Artillery '1258063'
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laughton

I put the Canadian Infantry lads (4) that are still on the Brookwood Memorial on the CEFSG Forum here (the CWGC CA checks our posts there):

Still on the Brookwood 1914-1918 Memorial

Looks as if two are clearly in the UK (McNeise and Smith) whereas Taylor is clearly in the Toronto area. Lt. Barry may be buried in the UK, or that is just a marker and his body was shipped back to Quebec.

 

I assumed their were some Canadians on the Brookwood that went to the RFC, RNAS or RAF as well, or ones that took an Imperial Commission, however there is nothing to indicate that on the CWGC listings.

 

 

 

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chrisharley9

Just to let you know that an active search is going on for McNeice in the Ballymena area.

 

Chris

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laughton

Thanks for the update Chris!

 

In our review with the CWGC CA (Canadian Agency) this morning, they confirmed that Lieutenant Barry is in the Belmont Cemetery in Quebec. This was confirmed in December 2017, the documents completed and sent to Maidenhead, and last Thursday finally contact was made with the family.

 

On a side note, the replacement for Nic Andrews (CWGC Commemorations Policy Manager) is "Mel Donnelly" (Melanie) from the Imperial War Museum. Commemorations has now merged with the former Records team. I see that she has done some of the IFC Volunteer Work. Everyone on your side of the pond probably already had this information.

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chrisharley9

And thanks for your update. We never did find any trace of Smith at Sibton, Suffolk.

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Just to let you know Danny Woods and his nephew Pat Digney got their new stone in time for their anniversaries January 2017 with thanks to the local MSP who helped me get him marked.

I spent years looking for him because he lived just up the road in Bothwellpark where the cemetery is but not buried there on his doorstep where you'd think they'd be buried.

 

Pat's original stone, spelt wrongly, was the only one marking the family grave so Danny who was never marked there and Pat now marked together where they lie together.

 

 

 

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Canadian Book of Remembrance
- ANDERSEN, Charlie Emil
- CONROY, Peter
- DONOGHUE, Arthur James
- HENEY, Robert
- HOBBS, Henry Thomas
- MACDONALD, Daniel
- WALKER, George Hervey
- Cemetery = UNITED KINGDOM BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE

 

All moved to UK BOR 8th June 2018.

 

All have known burial places except for Hobbs(believed to be buried in the Chelsea area), MacDonald & Donoghue (who is now known to have died on the Isle of Portland).   

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adrian45

Hi Chris

 

I'm Adrian of the Far From Home project which is a memorial study of the WW1 Canadians who are buried or commemorated in the United Kingdom. I have noted there are now a further seven Canadians added to the CWGC UK Book of Remembrance and places of burial are known for four of them. I would be grateful if you would be prepared to share the information with FFH. I think I could help you with Arthur James Donoghue and also Thomas Owen Davies (the 8th and final name on the UK Book of Remembrance).

 

Adrian

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laughton

Adrian:

 

You may be interested in the detailed pages on the sister site to the GWF at the Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group (CEFSG). We have a forum on that board that deals exclusively with this topic:

CWGC Canadian Agency: List of Soldiers Hunted

This was an add-on to our ongoing work to fund UCS in the cemeteries of France and Belgium when we were approached by the Canadian Agency of the CWGC in Ottawa. Each person has their own topic, which you will see on the list. If it is listed as an ANNOUNCEMENT then it means the location of the burial has been identified, even if the remains have not been recovered. It it is still listed as a topic, it means the case is still open. I will check that list this morning to make sure it is up to date.

 

You will see a number of updates in the topics from "cpaterson", who is Catherine or "Kate" Paterson, who works for the CWGC Canadian Agency on many of these cases. Jerry Mayer is a retired member of that same team, but we still work together closely on a lot of the cases.

 

Here is Chris's list from above to which I have added the direct links, if they are profiled on the CEFSG site. This list appears to only relate to casualties that had graves located in an area that is under the jurisdiction of the CWGC in Maidenhead. The Canadian Agency of the CWGC has jurisdiction on all graves on our side of the pond, including the USA and Caribbean and as far south as the Falkland Islands (which are British graves).

  1.  ANDERSEN, Charlie Emil - Gamlebyen Gravlund (Cemetery) in Oslo, Norway
  2. CONROY, Peter
  3. DONOGHUE, Arthur James
  4. HENEY, Robert
  5. HOBBS, Henry Thomas - Chelsea, England
  6. MACDONALD, Daniel
  7. WALKER, George Hervey

If you have additional information on any of the cases I would assume the CWGC Canadian Agency would like to hear from you.

 

Best Regards,

Richard

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Richard

 

Many thanks for the information which is extremely helpful. I was wondering what specific research  prompts the transfer of these seven casualties (from the Canadian BoR?) to the UK BoR. At a guess,it is grounded in fact rather than a "most likely" conclusion.

 

Adrian

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laughton

All the ones under CWGC Ottawa jurisdiction will go on the new 2019 Ottawa memorial. It will even have Chinese Labourers and a strange case of an airman known to be buried on the front lawn of a house, I think in Maine USA.

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chrisharley9

First of all sorry for the very tardy response. I have been tied up with work & family matters.

 

I would share all of the details with you except for one problem which is CWGC have not shared them with me. I will make the announcements as to the commemoration moves as they happen.

 

With regard to Thomas Owen Davies his burial place is known at Penegoes Churchyard. This is just awaiting the final confirmation from CWGC.

 

Any further info with regard to any of the names would be welcome.

 

Cheers

 

Chris

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laughton

Adrian:

 

I did not really answer your question. I was actually out in the field bringing in the hay harvest. The wonders of cell phones.

 

After the 2019 memorial is built, there will no longer be a Canadian Book of Remembrance, which is really just a list. The true Canadian Books of Remembrance list all war dead and are in the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa.

 

The ones that are left are not buried in Canada so they were sent back to the CWGC or British book.

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#642: Sapper Arthur James Donoghue, Canadian Engineers

Our research shows Sapper Donoghue died on Friday 4th March 1921 and was buried at Melcombe Regis Cemetery in Dorset on Tuesday 8th March 1921. Arthur is now the sixth WW1 Canadian known to be buried at this cemetery.

We are currently progressing the paperwork which the CWGC will require for the verification process and enable them to be transfer him from the UK Book of Remembrance to Melcombe Regis Cemetery.

 

The Far From Home project.

https://www.canadianukgravesww1.co.uk/

#428278: L/Cpl Thomas Owen Davies, Canadian Infantry

It is good to hear final confirmation from the CWGC is now awaited as the process was stalled a while ago because the Death Register at St Cadfarch was missing for the time of Thomas’s burial.

Can anybody supply me with a photograph of his headstone?

A booklet produced by the Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society contains the following transcription of his family headstone:

"Er Serchus Gof am Owen Davies, Tregerddi, Machynlleth, yr hwn a fu farw Ion. 6, 1920, yn 62 ml. oed . . . . . . . . . hefyd am ei anwyl fab Thomas Owen Davies D.C.M., gwasanaethodd gydar Canadians yn y Rhyfel Mawr, a bu farw Mawrth 1, 1921, yn 29 ml. oed . . . . . . . . ac am Mary Ann Davies (annwyl Briod Owen Davies) yr hon a hunodd yn dawel Medi 15fed 1940, yn 78 mlwydd oed . . . . . . ".

This translates as follows:

"In loving memory of Owen Davies, Garden Village, Machynlleth, who died 6th January, 1920, aged 62 years . . . . . . also his beloved son Thomas Owen Davies D.C.M., who served with the Canadians in the Great War and died 1st March, 1921, aged 29 years . . . . . . .and Mary Ann Davies (beloved wife of Owen Davies) who died peacefully on 15th September, 1940, aged 78 years . . . . . . ".

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

MacDonald, Daniel

#VR/5433, Leading Seaman, Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve

Served on: HMCS Niobe

Date & Place of Birth: 06 June 1888 at Cluir on the Isle of Harris, Scotland (also known as: Clure or Cluer)

Birth registered as: MacDonald, Donald

Parents: Roderick & Dolina MacDonald née McPhail (also confirmed on Death Certificate)

Date of Death: 29 October 1919 at Knightswood Hospital, Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Death registered as: McDonald, Daniel by Donald John McDonald (elder brother) 9 Paisley Road, Glasgow

Place of Burial: Possibly western Glasgow or Isle of Harris

 

The Far From Home project

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

 

Walker, George Hervey Bridgewood

#2013589, Sap, Canadian Engineers

Date & Place of Birth: 12 August 1883 @ Congleton, Cheshire, England

Date of Death: Wednesday 02 October 1918 @ Drummond Military Hospital, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Place of Burial: Possibly Washington DC or New Jersey USA (per CEFSG research & also ref Ancestry)

Wife: Mrs G H Walker, 605 Florence Court, Washington, DC, USA

Immigration to New York, USA: 16 September 1896

Parents: George & Emmeline Walker née Besant

 

CEFSG research suggests burial unlikely in Great Britain.

 

The Far From Home project

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

 

Andersen, Charles Emil

Birth registered as: Karl Emil Anderssen

#180705, Pte, Canadian Machine Gun Corps

Date & Place of Birth: 22 January 1877 @ Christiania (now: Oslo), Norway

Date of Discharge: 18 February 1919 @ Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Date of Death: Wednesday 13 October 1920

Place of Burial: Gamlebyen Gravlund (Cemetery), Oslo, Norway (per CEFSG research)

Parents: Anders & Barbara Anderssen, Toeiengaten 15, Christiania. Norway

 

The Far From Home project

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

 

Conroy, Peter

#51100, Pte, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, Eastern Ontario Reg

Date & Place of Birth: 16 January 1876 @ Dublin, Ireland (see: Age at Death below)

Date of Discharge: 29 February 1916, resulting from GSW to head whilst on active service

Intended Place of Residence: 8 Arran Quay, Dublin, Ireland (see: Next of Kin below)

Address for Pension: 2 Hospital Lane, Island Bridge, Dublin, Ireland

Date of Death: Wednesday 28 August 1918 @ Dublin South, Ireland

Age at Death: 47 (Alternative Date of Birth: 16 January 1871)

Place of Burial: probably Dublin, Ireland?

Parents: the late Thomas & Ellen Conroy

Next of Kin: John Conroy, #963 South Irish Horse (relationship unknown: Brother?), 8 Arran Quay, Dublin, Ireland

 

The Far From Home project

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

 

Heney, Robert

#440834, Dvr, Canadian Infantry

Date & Place of Birth: 01 May 1876 @ Ennclong, (Annalong?), County Down, Ireland

Discharged: 17 May 1919 @ Kinston, Ontario, Canada

Intended Place of Residence: Elm Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Date of Death: Friday 03 December 1920

Place of Death: research has found no trace in Ontario or Ireland to date

Place of Burial: Unknown

Wife: Mrs Eliza Jane Heney (married: 16 August 1896), Bally Martin, Kilkeel, County Down, Ireland

 

The Far From Home project

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Canadian Book of Remembrance to UK Book of Remembrance

 

Hobbs, Henry Thomas

#504493, Sap, Canadian Engineers

Date & Place of Birth: 29 April 1882 @ London (Wandsworth?)

Date of Death: Monday 08 August 1921 @ Chelsea, London, England

Age at Death: 39

Place of Burial: Probably in west London

Wife: Harriet Matilda Hobbs née Cooke, married @ Chelsea, January - March 1905

Children: Son (1) & Daughters (3)

 

We have ordered a copy of his Death Certificate and hope it will help focus the search for Henry’s Place of Burial

 

The Far From Home project

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Will update again tomorrow as there is news on Conroy

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PrivateCONROY, PETER

Service Number 51100

Died 28/08/1918

Aged 43

Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Eastern Ontario Regiment)

Son of the late Thomas and Ellen Conroy.

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR to Dublin Glasnevin Cemetery. He is to receive a CWGC headstone.

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