At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Hallo all I wonder whether Pals think that these two chaps are one and the same? On the right is L/Cpl Boulton. It would be nice if so, as the family only have the one photo Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 I would say 'yes'. I look at the distance between the top of the lip to the base of the nose and the creases from the sides of the nose down to the mouth. His nose length look very similar, too. Also the ears are at the same level. His eyes look wider, maybe because the photo minus the cap was taken indoors, or his peak shaded his eyes. His face looks fuller, too. The ears have an uneven tilt on both pics which match, and the bottom lip to chin are identical. I would give it a 90% 'yes'. Let the experts have a go. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Cheers Bingo. I was also going by the ears and the nose thickness and the downward slope of the eyebrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 As you can see by my entries I'm going over it bit by bit. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 It is possible to take something we know the actual size of, like the cap badge, and scale the facial features against it for each photo. If you get my drift. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 yes, or I do a better resize hold on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Up the Hammers! Nice little site! The last time I was at Upton Park was for the FA Vase final of Brigg Town V Sudbury, of course Brigg Town won Plus my nephew had a brick with his name on it dedicated after he died, that part of the family are all West Hammers. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Yes, still a good match up, though one is in, it seems, soft focus and at face level. The other is from a group pic which is taken from head height looking downwards, as he looks to be sat down, or the others behind him are stood on chairs. The group pic is crisp in its fine detail. I don't think the lighting on the uncapped pic helps, though. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Cheers for the kind comments! I also saw a similarity in the angle of slope of the shoulders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Look to his neck, about half way up on both pics is a line which runs through his adams apple. It looks like the same bloke to me. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 It should also be pointed out that the photo in the cap is two months in to Army training, in the local area, April 1915. The second photo is possibly about a year later, after being in constant combat: first battalion leave was March 1916 could play a part, I s'pose Also, ears were used as identification before fingerprints, as they're pretty unique. His left ear is almost a fit. If only I had fancy CSI software....! cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 better effort: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 It should also be pointed out that the photo in the cap is two months in to Army training, in the local area, April 1915. The second photo is possibly about a year later, after being in constant combat: first battalion leave was March 1916 could play a part, I s'pose Also, ears were used as identification before fingerprints, as they're pretty unique. His left ear is almost a fit. If only I had fancy CSI software....! cheers The right ear is prominent and the left flat to the side of the head. He looks fit in the early pic and slightly better fed on the second, though a little tired and drawn. I'm sure the action he saw would play a part in his look. I was going to say that the capped pic looks like one from training and the other from alater time. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertBr Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 I tried a quick overlay of the two pictures in my photo editor. All the key features seem to match. I agree its the same man. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grass1 Posted 19 September , 2009 Share Posted 19 September , 2009 The chap on the right appears to be carrying more weight.. would that be expected after 12 months of combat? Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Cheers Bob. Thanks for doing that QUOTE (Bob B @ Sep 19 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I tried a quick overlay of the two pictures in my photo editor. All the key features seem to match. I agree its the same man. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 19 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2009 Hallo 54486g'son No, it's 'only' five months of combat, 13th Essex landed in France Nov 1915. and that is to assume that the later photo was taken while on Battalion leave, in France, March 1916. It could have been taken in UK just prior to embarkation, I guess we'll never know. But you're right, he does appear to be carrying more weight. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 20 September , 2009 Share Posted 20 September , 2009 They wouldn't have been in 'constant combat' they would have rotated to trenches. But yes it does look like him. - Just thought I would join everyone who answered the response for facial 'experts' everyones guess is as good as another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy 60th Posted 20 September , 2009 Share Posted 20 September , 2009 Certainly looks like the same man to me - the slightly more closed and downward slope of his right eye and the shape of the ears are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 20 September , 2009 Share Posted 20 September , 2009 If any more support is needed, yes, I'd say it was the same man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 20 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2009 Thanks very much, everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 20 September , 2009 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2009 Having looked at a second photo of No10 Platoon, I wonder whether you think that this might be William Boulton too? The ears again and the eyes/eyebrow do it for me, although not yet as convincingly. Many thanks for looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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