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This deals with reasons for discharge. A forum search has revealed a few of the criteria subparagraphs. There are 11.

1) "Termination of Engagement"

4) "Conduct unsatisfactory"

5) "Desertion" ?

11)"Medically unfit for further military service"

Graham Stewart seems to be the only forum member who has a copy of the 1912 revised regulations.

Hopefully he can fill in the gaps. Do you have a subparagraph number attached to Para 156?

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Conduct Unsatisfactory to be a Soldier, I believe.

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FWIW Para 156 1908 regs:

Soldier of the Territorial Force entering Naval Forces

In the cases of soldiers of the Territorial Force who have improperly entered any section of His Majesty's Naval Forces or the Royal Marines, similar reports will be made to the Secretery of the Admiralty, who will be requested to make the stoppages required by the Pay Warrant, and a duplicate return on A.F.E530 will at the same time be forwarded to the War Ofice.

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Theres only 4 pages of his record: Enlisted April 1914 Discharged 144 days later under Paragraph 156 TF Regulations.

No other paragraph given

Thanks

Ady

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That's an interesting one, Squirrel. I thought that the Regulation was broader than that. Antony

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I don't have the 1912 amendments so they may have changed the order of things.

Section 156 in the 1908 regs is the last para in a number regarding false or fraudulent enlistment. Para 155 covers serving Naval personnel fraudulently enlisting in the Territorial Force.

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Jon,

I will do that for you this evening when I get home from work.

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Regulations for both the Regulars, Special Reserve and TF were constantly being updated and therefore any references refering to 'Discharge' from the TF between 1912-1920 will be based on TF Regs 1912 amended to 1st December 1914 i.e Para 156(sub para's 1-11)as previously mentioned.

Prior to this TF Regs from 1908-1912 para's concerning 'Discharge' were TF Regs 95(sub para's 1-10). However as the war progresses TF Regs are eventually substituted with KR's, hence a lot of TF lads found Discharged under KR Para 392(xxi) i.e."Termination of his period of engagement" or time expired as we would call it.

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Graham,

Sorry to be a pain, but could you give a brief outline of what each of the 11 paragraphs deals with (see post #2).

I've made guesses here based on previous postings. I have just found a man discharged under Para 156 (3) which appears to be "at own request" as he was to join The Shanghai Municipal Police. However, this is another guess and I would like confirmation. I believe this will be a great help to other forum members as well as myself.

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Sounds like it might also be "unlikely to become an efficient soldier", after just over 3 months service, as well as possibly "medically unfit".

Jon,

Para 154 Regulations for the Territorial Force 1908

“When information is obtained of the improper enlistment of a soldier of the Territorial Force in to the regular forces, a report of the fact on A.F.E530 will be sent by the officer commanding the Territorial unit to the officer commanding the regular unit in which the man is supposed to be serving, with a duplicate of his Territorial attestation, and a certificate, as laid down in the King’s regulations, paragraph 530”.

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As requested TF Regs 1912 amended to December 1914;-

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Thank you very much for the scans, Graham.

I see that 5) is "not being likely to become an efficient soldier" not really desertion.

I found another one last night in a service record dated 1920. In a later amendment there must have been a subparagraph 13) to do with "Discharge on Demobilization"

Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one who will find this a useful reference as the question has been asked a few times on this forum.

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who will find this a useful reference

I'll say, very useful indeed, thanks Graham. Pushing my luck a bit, don't suppose you happen to have the equivalent SR Regs 1911??

Regards

Steve

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Just an FYI - N&M Press have reprinted "Regulations for the Territorial Force and County Associations 1908" (ISBN 1-84342-574-2)

Which I recently bought and have found very useful (and I got it from a discount seller cheap too!)

Chris

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Steve,

Sorry mate, SR Regs 1911 are as rare as rocking horse sh*t and I only know of one copy in private hands. The best I can do is Militia Regs 1904.

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Sorry mate, SR Regs 1911 are as rare as rocking horse sh*t and I only know of one copy in private hands. The best I can do is Militia Regs 1904.

No worries. The guy I was interested in was "Discharged under Para.154 (XII) S.R.R. 1911", I assume Para.154 (XII) was simply "on termination of engagement" but wanted to confirm. What do Militia Regs 1904 say for Discharge "on termination etc." as I guess they won't be too dissimilar to the SR Regs.?

Regards

Steve

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Militia Regs 1904, which differ as the sub-para's are lettered;-

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Thanks for the Militia Regs. Graham, very useful and it's much appreciated.

Regards

Steve

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  • 5 years later...

Graham

A belated many thanks from me for posting the TF Regs. I have come across a man (well, boy) discharged under para 156(10), misstatement of age on enlistment. This was one H Constable, enlisted 25 February 1914 as 1012, Essex Yeomanry and discharged on 10 March 1914 - his parents were quick off the mark. So we know he was under 17 in February 1914.

He didn't have long to wait. Harold Stanley Constable re-enlisted as 1566 in Essex Yeomanry on 4 November 1914, aged 17 7/12. Subsequently renumbered as 80467 in 1917 and transferred to the Royal Horse Guards in June that year, before serving with the King's African Rifles in the latter part of 1918/early 1919. The later enlistment is covered by his papers that survive in WO400.

Ian

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  • 7 years later...

Good morning all,

I have been away from my laptop, I feel a little bit guilty as I know this soldier was discharged on medical grounds as notes on his service record and the silver war badge list.

I wondered what was medically wrong with him, I thought there may be a clue in the gobbledygook that was in the discharge reason passage. 

It looks like I will have to make do with medically unfit.

PB BUSH

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