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Just before the S98/05, german issued a so-called S98/02 bayonet

A rather HEAVY tool, obviously intented for

being used as a Faschinenmesser

rather than as combat tool

I doubt about assault units being equipped with such tools,

the weight of which probably was rather bad for

firing the rifle !

I am looking for information about this

Does someone around here

has access to such a tool ?

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wyliecoyote
Just before the S98/05, german issued a so-called S98/02 bayonet

A rather HEAVY tool, obviously intented for

being used as a Faschinenmesser

rather than as combat tool

I doubt about assault units being equipped with such tools,

the weight of which probably was rather bad for

firing the rifle !

I am looking for information about this

Does someone around here

has access to such a tool ?

pqt

The S98/02 was designed as a lighter and slightly shorter replacement for the Pfm 71, which also utilized a hilt that was appropriate for the then new sevice rifle, Gewehr 98 in 1902, hence the designation 98/02.

It was used by Pioniers, Railway, Telegraph, and some Fuss Artillerie Troops.

Wouldn't mind having one finding it's way into my collection one day.

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trajan

They were heavy - at 800 gr. or so... But I think the Martin-Peabody 1874 bayonet was heavier... I wouldn't mind a 98/02 either, but they are not so common!

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calibre792x57.y

98/02's are expensive although I have seen a couple recently @ £1800 - 2000. Usually marked to Pioneers. - SW

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trajan

They were not quite the heaviest bayonet around though... I am pretty certain that honour goes to the Martini-Peabody yataghan 1874. I just weighed one of mine and it was 947 gr... Now, I suspect that the 98/02 was rarely actually used - except in extremis - on the end of rifle, and I very much doubt if this one was either. They are generally considered to be NCO sidearms, and they are a hefy 71-72 cm long, and with scabbard that goes up to a total length of 75 cm... Makes one wonder if the song about that chap Abdul the Bul-bul Ameer was based on a real person!

Trajan

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calibre792x57.y

I can recall seeing one 98/02 which was marked as a souvenir of the Hill 60 tunnels. The blade had been bent into a shallow curve to form a 'spoon'. Seemingly this was done by the Pioneers to form an instrument for silent digging, so they probably didn't think much of it's capabilities as a bayonet either. - SW

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trajan

How the 'eck did they manage a thing like that! They are quite thick!

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zuluwar2006

A VERY RARE 98/02 WITH SCABBARD.

RARE BEACAUSE IT IS MARKED WITH THE "FA" FOR THE KING OF SAXONY

UNIT MARK ON CROSSGUARD = R.P.I.197

RESERVE PIONEER BATAILLON FURST RADZIWILL NR. 1 [1ST OSTPREUSSISCHES]

VARY RARE TO FIND SAXON MARKED 98/02 BAYONET.

THE SCABBARD IS MARKED WITH 3.P.3.61

FOR THE 3 PIONEER BATAILLON VON RAUCH [1ST BRANDEMBURGISCHES]

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zuluwar2006

My second  98/02 BAYONET

SAME UNIT MARKING ON SCABBARD AND CROSSGUARD, WHICH HAS BEEN ERASED.

NEW UNIT MARKING ON THE OTHER PART OF THE CROSSGUARD, FOR WAR TIME RESERVE INFANTRY REGIMENT 235.

THE 235 RESERVE INFANTRY REGIMENT, WAS PART OF THE 102.Reserve-Infanterie-Brigade.

THE 102 BRIGADE, WAS PART OF The 51st Reserve Division was initially organized asa square division, with essentially the sameorganization as the reserve divisions formed on mobilization. 

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zuluwar2006

My third 98/02bayonet.

A very rare 98/02 unit marked bayonet

Reserve pioneer Bataillon 16th

[1th Lothringisches - Metz].

Without scabbard unfortunately. 

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zuluwar2006

This is my 4th and last 98/02.

A very rare 98/02 bayonet without scabbard.

Manufacturer is Erfurt.

Date is 1902.

Unit marking on the crossguard is R.P.XVIII.1.49.

For 1st Reserve Pioneer Bataillon of the 18th Army Korps. 

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Chasemuseum

Now we know where all the 98/02s went

 

Thanks for sharing.

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zuluwar2006
Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, Chasemuseum said:

Now we know where all the 98/02s went

 

Thanks for sharing.

I always appreciate the correct sense of humor. 

Thank you very much!!! 

Regards

D. 😊

 

Edited by zuluwar2006

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trajan
On 06/06/2019 at 02:30, Chasemuseum said:

Now we know where all the 98/02s went ... 

 

23 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

I always appreciate the correct sense of humor. ... 😊

 

 

Humour? That is out-and-out jealousy in which I share!:angry2:

 

Nice ones, indeed... One day, I'll find one, but I doubt it will be in such good condition...:(

 

Julian

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Steve1871

If it is old, rare and German, Demitrios has one ( or more)

 very impressive

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