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Hi,

I am searching for the names and rank of various commanding officers who lead their companies and battalions in to action at Messines in June 1917. I would appreciate any contributions to this (and preferably the source of the information) for any of the following;

32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price

6th Yorkshires (Green Howards)

6th Yorks & Lancasters

8th Duke of Wellingtons

9th West Yorkshires

34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug)

5th Dorsets

8th Northumberland Fusiliers

9th Lancashire Fusiliers

11th Manchesters

PIONEERS:

6th East Yorkshires

47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira

1st Royal Munster Fusiliers

6th Royal Irish Regiment: CO, Major Charles Taylor (not sure if CO of 6th Bn or A Coy of 6th Bn)

6th Connaught Rangers

7th Leinsters

48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay

1st Royal Munster Fusiliers

7th Royal Irish Rifles

8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers

9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers

49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower

7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

7th Royal Irish Fusiliers

8th Royal Irish Fusiliers

8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917

PIONEERS:

11th Hampshires

56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept)

7th King’s Own

7th East Lancashires

7th South Lancashires

7th Loyal North Lancashires

57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt

8th Gloucestershires

8th North Staffordshires

10th Worcesters

10th Royal Warwickshires

58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow

6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept)

9th Cheshires

9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C.

9th Welsh

PIONEERS:

5th South Wales Borderers

108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith

9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers

11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo

9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles

PIONEERS:

16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917)

10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert Manners

11th Northumberland Fusiliers

12th Durham Light Infantry

13th Durham Light Infantry

69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert

8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. Western

9th Yorkshires (Green Howards)

10th Duke of Wellingtons

11th West Yorkshires

70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon

8th York & Lancasters

8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI)

9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917)

11th Sherwood Foresters

PIONEERS:

9th South Staffordshires

17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone

1st Royal Fusiliers

3rd Rifle Brigade

8th Buffs

12th Royal Fusiliers

72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny

1st North Staffordshires

8th Royal West Kents

8th Queens

9th East Surreys

73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan

2nd Leinsters

7th Northamptons

9th Royal Sussex

13th Middlesex

PIONEERS:

12th Sherwood Foresters

122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey

11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment

12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys

15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires

18th (Arts & Craftsmen) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC)

140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy

1/6 (City of London) London Regiment

1/7 (City of London) London Regiment

1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment

1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment

141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?)

1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles)

1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles)

1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras)

1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich)

142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey

1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles)

1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

PIONEERS:

1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow

1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment

8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires

74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’)

2nd Royal Irish Rifles

9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires

11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers

13th Bn Cheshire Regiment

75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird

2nd South Lancashires

8th Border Regiment

8th South Lancashires

11th Bn Cheshire Regiment

PIONEERS:

6th South Wales Borderers

Many thanks

Glennr

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Hi,

For the 6th Battalion The Connaught Ranger Lieut Colonel J S M Lenox Conyngham was in command and Major G F Brooke was 2nd in command.

Major G F Brooke was in Temporary Command during May 1916, while Lieut Colonel J S M Lenox Conyngham was on leave in May 1916.

Capatin I H Garvey was in command of 'A' Company and Major R J A Tamplin of 'D' Company.

Regards Mark

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If you need it, I have a lot of info on Lt. Colonel Boardman, who was the most senior old boy of Bury Grammar School, Lancashire to die in the First World War. As a boy he was a founder member of the school's Cadet Corps in 1892 (and which is still going strong) and then helped found, and subsequently command, the Cadet Corps at Christ's Hospital School, Horsham, where he was a teacher.

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Sorry Mhifle - Lenox Conyngham bought it in September 1916 taking the Connaughts into action on the Somme. Rowland Feilding was C/O 6 Con. Rangers at Messines.

http://www.freewebs.com/denbob/ulsterdivmessines.htm

Above link may prove useful for Ulster Div involvement

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Hi Glenn,

According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out!

Cheers,

Steve.

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Hi Glenn,

According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out!

Cheers,

Steve.

GLENNR,

Some information on the Foresters.

11th Battalion Sherwood Foresters

Major A.B.WAYTE was in command of the Battalion owing to the absence of Lieutenant Colonel WATSON being in hospital.

Colonel H.F.WATSON rejoined the Battalion on the 7th in the transort lines but did not go up to the trenches. Source Battalion War Diary.

12th Battalion Sherwood Foresters

Lt/Col F.C. Roberts M.C. Commanded from March 1917 to May 1918. Source Regimental History.

BRONNO.

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Sorry Mhifle - Lenox Conyngham bought it in September 1916 taking the Connaughts into action on the Somme. Rowland Feilding was C/O 6 Con. Rangers at Messines.

http://www.freewebs.com/denbob/ulsterdivmessines.htm

Above link may prove useful for Ulster Div involvement

Hi,

Yes you are are quite correct it was Lieutenant Colonel R C Feilding DSO.

Major H F N Jourdain CMG, was second in command until 28 June when he took command of the 16th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers.

I was looking at June 1916 for some unkown reason when I should have been looking at June 1917!

Regards Mark

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12th Royal Fusiliers was commanded by Lieut-Colonel H.W.Compton, he was wounded when a shell fell close to Bn HQ in Oosttaverne Wood, near the Wambeke Road at 9.45pm on the 9 June, 1917.* At 10pm Captain L. Ventres assumed command of the Bn pending the arrival of Major E.L.Neynoe - see page 178 of The Royal Fusiliers in the Great War by H.C.O'Neill. OBE.

The 12th Bn War Diary confirms that Lieut-Colonel Compton died of wounds on the 9 July at No.20 General Hospital, Camiers.

* The shell caught Lieut-Colonel H.W. Compton, Captain G.M.Gordon, Captain J.V.Wilson and Captain C.A. Whittingham RAMC. Gordon and Whittingham died at midnight and Compton lingered till July 7th when he too succumbed. Captain Wilson survived he was my grandfather.

On the 11th June 1917 Major H.M.Hope Johnstone of the 1st Bn took over command of the 12th Bn and on the 12th June, the Bn relieved the Durham Light Infantry in Impartial Trench preparatory to attack. Their role was to round off the battle by the capture of dug-outs north of the railway at Battle Wood, in conjunction with the 8th Buffs. They secured the objectives that day - see page 179 and 180.

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Correction the 12th Bn War Diary confirms date of death as 7th July not 9th - for Colonel Compton

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33rd Brigade, 11 Div fought at Messines attached to 16th Irish Div.

9th Sherwood Foresters - Lt.Col W.B. Thornton D.S.O.

6th Lincolns - Major (Temp Lt-Col) George Henry Gater D.S.O. and bar (ex 9th Bn Sherwood Foresters)

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Hi,

I am searching for the names and rank of various commanding officers who lead their companies and battalions in to action at Messines in June 1917. I would appreciate any contributions to this (and preferably the source of the information) for any of the following;

122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey

11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment

12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys

15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires

18th (Arts & Craftsmen) King's Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC)

Many thanks

Glennr

Glennr,

18/KRRC were actually "Arts & Crafts" not "Arts & Craftsmen".

I've been through the 1916 and 1917 KRRC Chronicles, and the OC at Messines was Capt (temp. Lt.Col.) C.H.Kitching. I have no further information on him unfortunately.

Here's the London Gazette entry:

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(London Gazette issue #29935 published 09 Feb 1917 p 1385)

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For info, he was succeeded by Richard Pennell in September 1917. Here's the LG entry for that too:

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(London Gazette issue #30412 published 30 Nov 1917 p 12669)

Pennell was an 18/KRRC officer who had already acted as temporary battalion commander while Kitching's predecessor, Capt W. Moore-Alpine, endured a bout of sickness in late 1916. Moore-Alpine ended up being repatriated to a hospital in Blighty in December 1916, which led to Kitching's appointment just after Xmas 1916.

Pennell went on to win a Bar to his DSO. Clearly a brave man.

Capt Moore-Alpine had himself taken over as OC when a single shell killed the previous Commanding Officer, together with the Adjutant, Signalling and Trench Mortar Officers just as the battalion was beginning the attack at Flers-Courcellette in September 1916.

Can't help with the 18/KRRC Company commanders though, I'm afraid - I don't have the battalion War Diary for 1917.

Cheers,

Mark

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11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent's was as follows,

C.O Lt-Col A.C Corfe

A Coy- Captain J Lindsay

B Coy- Captain C. F Stallard

C Coy- Captain R Maltby

D Coy- Captain F.G Fraser

Captain's Stallard and Maltby were both awarded the M.C for their part in the attack and both were wounded.

2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command of B Coy and 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood of C Coy.

Source: The History of the 11th (Lewisham) Btn The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment by Captain R.O Russell, M.C.

regards Stuart

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Wow - thanks all. Really pleased with the information provided.

You've made me one happy kiwi.

Cheers

Glennr

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Glenn,

It looks like the 6th South Wales Borerers were commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. Hewett (of the Queen's Own Royal West Kents). (Source 'The History of the South Wales Borderers')

Steve.

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Glenn

Would you like to post your list again with all the COs you know against their battalions. and I'll do my best to fill in the rest.

Peter

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply. Here's the updated list and you'll see that there is still quite a few without commanding officers so any further info you can add would be much appreciated...

32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price

6th Yorkshires (Green Howards)

6th Yorks & Lancasters

8th Duke of Wellingtons

9th West Yorkshires

34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug)

5th Dorsets

8th Northumberland Fusiliers

9th Lancashire Fusiliers

11th Manchesters

PIONEERS:

6th East Yorkshires

47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira

1st Royal Munster Fusiliers

6th Royal Irish Regiment commanded by Major Charles Taylor (not sure if CO of 6th Bn or A Coy of 6th Bn)

6th Connaught Rangers commanded by Rowland Fielding

7th Leinsters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel G A McLean Bucley

48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay

1st Royal Munster Fusiliers

7th Royal Irish Rifles

8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers

9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers

49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower

7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

7th Royal Irish Fusiliers

8th Royal Irish Fusiliers

8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917

PIONEERS:

11th Hampshires

56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept)

7th King’s Own

7th East Lancashires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.L. Jones

7th South Lancashires

7th Loyal North Lancashires

57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt

8th Gloucestershires

8th North Staffordshires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Dakeyne

10th Worcesters

10th Royal Warwickshires

58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow

6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept)

9th Cheshires

9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C.

9th Welsh: CO, either Major John Angel Gibbs (killed at Menin Road) or Lt-Col Godfrey

PIONEERS:

5th South Wales Borderers

107th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Maunder Withycombe

8th (East Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

9th (West Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

10th (South Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

15th (North Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith

9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers

11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo

9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles

PIONEERS:

16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles

68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917)

10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert Manners

11th Northumberland Fusiliers

12th Durham Light Infantry

13th Durham Light Infantry

69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert

8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. Western

9th Yorkshires (Green Howards)

10th Duke of Wellingtons

11th West Yorkshires

70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon

8th York & Lancasters

8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI)

9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917)

11th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Major A.B. Wayte

PIONEERS:

9th South Staffordshires

17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone

1st Royal Fusiliers

3rd Rifle Brigade

8th Buffs

12th Royal Fusiliers commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Compton (wounded by shell 9 June 1917 and died from this wound on 7th July)

72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny

1st North Staffordshires

8th Royal West Kents commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Jack C. Parker

8th Queens

9th East Surreys

73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan

2nd Leinsters

7th Northamptons

9th Royal Sussex

13th Middlesex

PIONEERS:

12th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel F.C. Roberts

122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey

11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Arthur C. Corfe

A Coy - Captain J Lindsay

B Coy - Captain C. F Stallard (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command.

C Coy - Captain R Maltby (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood assumed command.

D Coy - Captain F.G Fraser

12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys

15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires

18th (Arts & Crafts) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) commanded by Temp Lieutenant Colonel C.H. Kitching

140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy

1/6 (City of London) London Regiment

1/7 (City of London) London Regiment

1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment

1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment

141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?)

1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles)

1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles)

1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras)

1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich)

142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey

1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles)

1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s)

PIONEERS:

1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow

1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment

8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires

74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’)

2nd Royal Irish Rifles

9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires

11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers

13th Bn Cheshire Regiment

75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird

2nd South Lancashires

8th Border Regiment

8th South Lancashires

11th Bn Cheshire Regiment

PIONEERS:

6th South Wales Borderers commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. Hewett.

Regards

Glenn

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Glenn,

The units of 36th (Ulster) Division were titled (in full) as follows:

107th Infantry Brigade

8th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (East Belfast)

9th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (West Belfast)

10th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (South Belfast)

15th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (North Belfast)

108th Infantry Brigade

11th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (South Antrim)

12th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (Central Antrim)

13th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (1st County Down)

9th (Service) Battalion, Princess Victoria’s (Royal Irish Fusiliers) (County Armagh)

109th Infantry Brigade

9th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (County Tyrone)

10th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (Derry)

11th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (Donegal and Fermanagh)

14th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (Young Citizens)

Pioneer Battalion

16th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (2nd County Down)

The use of 'Volunteers' was not official.

The CO of the 9th Irish Fusiliers in 108th Infantry Brigade was Lt Col S J Somerville, who was killed in action leading the Battalion in the later attack on 16 August. He was an Inniskilling and had commanded the 9th Irish Fusiliers from March 1917.

Nick

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Cheers Nick - much appreciated.

Regards

Glenn

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Hi Glenn,

According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out!

Cheers,

Steve.

Yup this is the same Ive found regarding the 9th Welch, I will do same keep looking, anything to do with the Welch I love re-going over!

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Glenn

Where did you get your order of battle from? Pillars of Fire? It is not accurate against Becke, Order of Battle of Divisions. For instance, you have 1st Royal Munsters in 47th & 48th Bdes at the same time!

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Where did you get your order of battle from? Pillars of Fire? It is not accurate against Becke, Order of Battle of Divisions. For instance, you have 1st Royal Munsters in 47th & 48th Bdes at the same time!

Hi Peter,

Yes some of this information was gathered from Pillars of Fire and thanks for spotting the duplication of the 1st Royal Munsters. I have corrected my error so that the 48th Brigade has the 2nd Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers instead of the 1st Royal Munsters.

regards

Glenn

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32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price

6th Yorkshires (Green Howards) Lt-Col C R White

6th Yorks & Lancasters Lt-Col H E Lavie

8th Duke of Wellingtons Lt-Col G H Wedgwood

9th West Yorkshires Lt-Col F P Worsley

34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug)

5th Dorsets Lt-Col C C Hannay

8th Northumberland Fusiliers Lt-Col V T R Ford

9th Lancashire Fusiliers Lt-Col V B Thurston

11th Manchesters Lt-Col T D Jackson

PIONEERS:

6th East Yorkshires Lt-Col M G Cowper

47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira

1st Royal Munster Fusiliers Lt-Col R H Monck-Mason

6th Royal Irish Regiment commanded by Major Charles Taylor (Lt-Col E Roche-Kelly was officially the CO)

6th Connaught Rangers commanded by Rowland C Fielding

7th Leinsters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel G A McLean Buckley

48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay

2nd Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col RGB Jeffries (wounded 7/6/17)

7th Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col SG Francis

8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col A C Thompson

9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col F S Thackeray

49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower

2nd Royal Irish Regiment Lt-Col W J Dugan

7th/8th Royal Irish Fusiliers Lt-Col K C Weldon

7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col H N Young

8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917

PIONEERS:

11th Hampshires Lt-Col B E Crockett

56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept)

7th King’s Own Lt-Col T Fitzjohn

7th East Lancashires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.L. Jones

7th South Lancashires Lt-Col C R P Winser

7th Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col W J M Hill

57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt

8th Gloucestershires Lt-Col R B Umfreville

8th North Staffordshires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Dakeyne

10th Worcesters Lt-Col D M A Sole

10th Royal Warwickshires Lt-Col R M Heath

58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow

6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept) Lt-Col A G Thynne

9th Cheshires Lt-Col R B Worgan

9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C.

9th Welsh: CO, either Major John Angel Gibbs (killed at Menin Road) or Lt-Col W Godfrey

PIONEERS:

5th South Wales Borderers Lt-Col E V O Hewett

107th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Maunder Withycombe

8th (East Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col G C Cole-hamilton

9th (West Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col P J Woods

10th (South Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col N G Burnand

15th (North Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col F L Gordon

108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith

9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers Maj S J Somerville

11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col P L Kington-Blair-Oliphant

12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col W R Goodwin

13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col R D P Maxwell

109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo

9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col W J Peacocke

10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col F S N Macrory

11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col A C Pratt

14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col F O Bowen

PIONEERS:

16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col C F Meares

68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917)

10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert W O Manners

11th Northumberland Fusiliers Lt-Col A A St Hill

12th Durham Light Infantry Lt-Col R Tyndall

13th Durham Light Infantry Maj J A Downey

69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert

8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. B C M Western

9th Yorkshires (Green Howards) Lt-Col H A S Prior

10th Duke of Wellingtons Lt-Col R R Raymer

11th West Yorkshires Lt-Col M G H Barker

70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon

8th York & Lancasters Lt-Col S L Whatford

8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) Lt-Col D Quirk

9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917)

11th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Major A.B. Wayte (Lt-Col H F Watson officially CO)

PIONEERS:

9th South Staffordshires Lt-Col R Stephenson

17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone

1st Royal Fusiliers Lt-Col M P Hancock

3rd Rifle Brigade Lt-Col R Pigott

8th Buffs Lt-Col F C R Studd

12th Royal Fusiliers commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Compton (wounded by shell 9 June 1917 and died from this wound on 7th July)

72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny

1st North Staffordshires Lt-Col W F B R Dugmore

8th Royal West Kents commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Jack C. Parker

8th Queens Lt-Col A M Tringham

9th East Surreys H V M De La Fontaine

73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan

2nd Leinsters Lt-Col A D Murphy

7th Northamptons Lt-Col E R Mobbs

9th Royal Sussex Lt-Col M V B HIll

13th Middlesex Lt-Col J Greene

PIONEERS:

12th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel F J Roberts

122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey

11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Arthur C. Corfe

A Coy - Captain J Lindsay

B Coy - Captain C. F Stallard (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command.

C Coy - Captain R Maltby (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood assumed command.

D Coy - Captain F.G Fraser

12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys Lt-Col E Knapp

15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires Lt-Col C D V Cary-Barnard

18th (Arts & Crafts) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) commanded by Temp Lieutenant Colonel C.H. Kitching

140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy

1/6 (City of London) London Regiment Lt-Col W F Mildren

1/7 (City of London) London Regiment Lt-Col C J Salkeld-Green

1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment Lt-Col A Maxwell

1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment Lt-Col H Marshall

141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?)

1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles) Lt-Col W Hughes

1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles) Lt-Col D B Parry

1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras) Lt-Col R S I Friend

1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich) Lt-Col W H Matthews

142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey

1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles) Lt-Col A Hutchence

1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Lt-Col C J S Green

1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Maj T C Hatgreaves

1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Lt-Col G E Millner

PIONEERS:

1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers Lt-Col C E Fitch

7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow

1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment Lt-Col S S Ogilvie

8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col G F Marriott

74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’)

2nd Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col H R Goddman

9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col H M Craigie-Halkett

11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers Lt-Col E C de R Martin

13th Bn Cheshire Regiment Lt-Col L H K Finch

75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird

2nd South Lancashires Lt-Col H C Herbert

8th Border Regiment Lt-Col C W H Birt

8th South Lancashires Lt-Col J B Allsopp

11th Bn Cheshire Regiment Lt-Col W K Evans

PIONEERS:

6th South Wales Borderers commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. Hewe

As they say "as far as I know!"

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I can confirm Lt. Col. Edgar Robert Mobbs as C.O. of the 7th Northamptons during the battle. He was struck twice by pieces of shell and slightly wounded both times. He was evacuated after the battle, rejoining the battalion on 29th June 1917.

Steve.

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