ph0ebus Posted 4 August , 2009 Share Posted 4 August , 2009 Hi all, My grandmother (Else Schlossinger) and her sister Kaethe were orphaned during the Great War and it is still a mystery to our family as to what happened and how they got there. I have obtained three postcards, two of which were written to my grandmother in the Waisenhaus (Orphanage) in Frankfurt Am Main in 1916 (one she sent herself) but I cannot make out the sender's name, the name of the Orphanage nor can I read the content. If someone would be kind enough to at least tell me who the senders were and, if you are interested, at least the gist of what the text says, I would be immensely grateful. Here's card 1: Here's card 2: Here's the one my grandmother sent: If you have questions for me please do not hesitate to ask. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 4 August , 2009 Share Posted 4 August , 2009 Daniel; I can have a go at it, but not for a day, or probably two. I have vital issues to address immediately. Evidentlially the cards were pasted into an album, leading to the loss of some text. Such is common and as a child I damaged some family mail from the period to harvest nearly worthless postage stamps. The ravages of time! There are a number of tools for investigating civil matters for the period, but they vary from area to area, and sometimes blocks of information were destroyed in WW II bombing. For example, all Hamburg municipal records from 1926 to 1944 were destroyed in the great firestorm raid. One resource that I use is the Berlin Adressbucher, which are on-line from 1799 to 1953 or thereabouts. I know similar resources are available for war-time Hamburg. I do not know about Frankfurt a/M. Luckily Germans love to complile documentation, lists, etc. Bob Lembke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 5 August , 2009 Share Posted 5 August , 2009 Hi all, My grandmother (Else Schlossinger) and her sister Kaethe were orphaned during the Great War and it is still a mystery to our family as to what happened and how they got there. I have obtained three postcards, two of which were written to my grandmother in the Waisenhaus (Orphanage) in Frankfurt Am Main in 1916 (one she sent herself) but I cannot make out the sender's name, the name of the Orphanage nor can I read the content. If someone would be kind enough to at least tell me who the senders were and, if you are interested, at least the gist of what the text says, I would be immensely grateful. Here's card 1: Here's card 2: Here's the one my grandmother sent: If you have questions for me please do not hesitate to ask. -Daniel Hello Daniel, I guess our expert in Thessaloniki is enjoying his holiday-time. He is fantastic in deciphering such scripts. Perhaps I can help you. But it will need some time to make this Sütterlin-scrip readable. By the way: Wernigerode is just 50 km from my residence! Kind regards Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 5 August , 2009 Share Posted 5 August , 2009 Fritz; You are right, our Greece-based Pal is an absolute virtuoso, simply brilliant at this. I am slow at this work, and while I still am participating a bit on the Forum, I still can't take a couple of hours now. (I have the impression that Adrian can do this in his sleep, while playing chess, quickly.) I have pressing legal and medical issues to deal with in the next day or so. But the project is great. I will check in later. Bob L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 6 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2009 Hi Fritz and Bob, Anything you can glean from these would be appreciated, even if these are comparable to the Feldpost type cards, which are largely vague in their content, other than what I belive Bob has previously called the 'bad food, warm socks' content (which could also apply to orphanage life). I am of the mind now that the last card is made out to Kate Lowenstein, who was Else's aunt (thus the "Liebe Tante!' salutation, which largely the only thing I can make out in the body of that card) and who was killed with her husband Willi in the Holocaust. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 I can now put perhaps an hour aside, although I am still beset with issues. (I think that I could be going down on a torpedoed ship, and still be posting on the GWF with my Blackberry!) I have printed off the first card. I have to say, from experience, that the text editor used by the GWF is going to mangle my transcript, as I need some fidelity in reproduction of what I actually write to what the Forum displays. I just got a thought, I can represent blank spaces, such as where the adhesive tore off some of the script, with "x"s or some sort of other symbol. (I was thinking of sending the work to you off-line.) I will try that. I will also mark doubtful letters, some due to letters overstamped or overwritten by other material, in addition to my own incompetence. I will work off-line and then post chunks as produced. Do you want me to translate the transliteration? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 1st postcard reads as follows: An die Schüelerin Else Schlösinger Waisenhaus Frankfurt am Main Seilerstrasse Wernigerode, 19.6.16 ……. Else ! …. du Antwort von mir …… aber gerne diese …. Damit du dir ein Bild von unseren Kindern machen kannst. Wie geht es dir ? Schreibe doch bitte öfters an uns, ich freue mich doch so sehr damit. Das Onkel im Schützengraben ist musst du wohl wissen. Wenn ihn der liebe Gott nur beschützt. Liebe Else, hoffentlich kannst du nun dieser Tage deiner lieben Mutter mit deinem Besuche erfreuen, sei nur stets gut und fleissig, dann wird es dir deine Lehrerin gern erlauben. Zudem ich hoffe doch bald ein grossen Brief von dir zu bekommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 I will plunge into it. Rather than work off-line and present a finished product, I will work on-line and others are free to put their two cents' worth in as well. I am starting with Card #1, the writing is odd, different scripts together, etc. I do not have an Umlaut here, I will use, foer example, ue for an Umlaut u. I will underline blanks for missing text, and underline letters if I am not sure. Card #1: Postmark: Wermatrod__ 19. 6. 16. 8-9 V June 19, 1916 8-9 AM Address: Die Schuelerin Else Schlosinger (certainly not Schlossinger) The schoolgirl Else Schlosinger _____________________ Waisenhaus _____________________ Orphanage Frankfurt a/M. S__ __ lerstr. S __ __ ler Street Text: ________________________________ _____igeoode 19/6 16. Sch__________________________________st Du R___tvoot von n______________ _____________ir aber gerne diese Kao_________________________ damit Du dir ein Bild von u____________________ Kindern mach____ k_____st. _________goht es dir schreibe doch bitte aftnos an uns, ich _______ __________ doch so sehr damit. Dass Onckel in Schutzengraben ist v____st da wohl vissen _____ ihn s. l. G____ nur beschutzt L. Else hoffentl k______t ___ nun dieser Sehr deine l. Mutter mit d_________Besuchn ___________, sie nur stats gut, u, flassig dann wurd es die deine Lah_______ ____ __lauben, _______ ich hatte _____ht bald eine grossen Brief von dir zu bekammen. Rotate Grusste u. kukt. dich herztlich deine Tante Kathe Aunt Kathe Going to break, the letter is from Else's aunt Kathe. The script seems to me like a jumble of scripts, and some usages seem non-standard. (Very common in this stuff). Mosdt of the above I can easily translate, but have not. As I would, the sense would develop, and questions drop away. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 I bow to Egbert, who knows this stuff at least forty-seven times as well as I do. He, additionally, has the benefit of actually knowing German. Gruss aus Philadelphia, Egbert! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 6 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2009 Hi Bob and Egbert, Wow, I already now know quite a bit more than before. So, using Egbert's translation, Google Tranlation coughed up the following: At the Schüelerin Else Schlösinger Orphanage Frankfurt Seiler Road Wernigerode, 19.6.16 ... .... Else! .... you answer me ... ... but like this .... To you a picture of our children can make. How are you? But please write to us often, but I am so much with it. The uncle is in the dugout, you probably know. If it only God protects. Dear Else, hopefully now you can these days to love your mother happy with your visits, it just always good and hard, then you allow your teacher likes. Moreover, I hope it soon became a great letter from you to get. I take this as meaning that Willi Löwenstein (Else's uncle, and Kathe's husband) was fighting in the war in the trenches. Would you agree? If so that is news to me. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 Hi, good results, indeed. Sorry to be late with my assistance, but hope to have more time at this weekend to start with my enigma-machinery. By the way, Daniel. Google map-information has good results for Wernigerode, Schloßstr. 9. The town was not damaged in WW2 and this house may still exist. Seilerstr. in Frankfurt am Main seems to be today a commercial zone with fabrics etc. See you later Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 6 August , 2009 Share Posted 6 August , 2009 Hi Bob and Egbert, Wow, I already now know quite a bit more than before. So, using Egbert's translation, Google Tranlation coughed up the following: At the Schüelerin Else Schlösinger Orphanage Frankfurt Seiler Road Wernigerode, 19.6.16 ... .... Else! .... you answer me ... ... but like this .... To you a picture of our children can make. How are you? But please write to us often, but I am so much with it. The uncle is in the dugout, you probably know. If it only God protects. Dear Else, hopefully now you can these days to love your mother happy with your visits, it just always good and hard, then you allow your teacher likes. Moreover, I hope it soon became a great letter from you to get. I take this as meaning that Willi Löwenstein (Else's uncle, and Kathe's husband) was fighting in the war in the trenches. Would you agree? If so that is news to me. -Daniel oh my god, please forget this awful chinese translation -its really rubbish and misleading. better wait for somebody who has time and translates from german to proper english..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 6 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2009 oh my god, please forget this awful chinese translation -its really rubbish and misleading. better wait for somebody who has time and translates from german to proper english..... Agreed. Thank you egbert for your help so far. Indeed, Google translate is pretty awful. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Only just seen this! Haven't been home much recently, but it's raining today... Here's the first card (bits in [ ] are guesses! Some punctuation and capitalization corrected): [An] die Schülerin Else Schlösinger Isralitisches Waisenhaus Frankfurt a/M Seilerstr. [Wern]igerode 19/6 16 [Meine liebe E]lse! Sch[... ...]st Du Antwort von [?mir ... ?d]ir aber gerne diese Kar[te ?senden] damit Du dir ein Bild von u[nsere]n Kindern machen kannst. [Wie] geht es dir[?] Schreibe doch bitte öfters an uns, ich freue mich doch so sehr damit. Daß Onkel in Schützengraben ist, wirst du wohl wissen. wenn ihn d. l. Gott nur beschützt. L. Else hoffentl. kannst Du nun dieses Jahr deine l. Mutter mit deinem Besuche erfreuen, sei nur stets gut u. fleißig dann wird es dir deine Lehrerin [?gern] erlauben. Indem ich hoffe recht bald einen großen Brief von Dir zu bekommen [up the side but continuing] grüßt u. küßt Dich herzlich deine Tante Käthe Translation: To the pupil Else Schlösinger Israelite Orphanage Frankfurt am Main Seilerstraße Wernigerode, 19 June 1916 My dear Else, [first sentence incomplete but probably means something like:] You have already received a reply from me, but I wanted to send you this card so that you can see what our children look like. How are you? Please write to us often as it always makes me happy. You will already know that Uncle is in the trenches. I only hope God will protect him. Dear Else, I hope you will be able to cheer up your mother with a visit this year. Just be good and work hard always, and your teacher will be happy to allow it. Hoping to receive a long letter from you really soon, love and kisses from your Aunt Käthe Adrian P.S. Thanks for the kind words above, chaps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Card 2: An Die Schülerin Else Schlösinger Waisenhaus Frankfurt a/M Seilerstraße Meine liebe Else! Hoffentlich geht es Dir recht gut, u. machst in der Schule gute Fortschritte, wir würden uns sehr freuen wenn Du einmal was von Dir hören ließest. Unsere kleine Ruth die wir nicht mit phortografieren lassen konnten, da die in Leipzig [?waren], ist unberufen ein goldiges Ding. L. Tante würd dir von ihr [?erzählen]. Also schreibe doch [???] einmal u. sei recht ?herzlich gegrüßt u. geküßt von deiner Tante Käthe [another hand continues:] Liebe Else. Wie du siehst, bin ich in Wernigerode, wo es mir sehr gut gefällt. Wenn ich wieder nach Frankfurt komme, besuche mich. Es grüßt dich deine Tante [?Helen] Plaut My dear Else, I hope you are well and that you are making good progress at school. We would be very happy if you would drop us a line some time. Our little Ruth, whom we couldn't have photographed at the same time because [?they] were in Leipzig, is a sweet little thing - touch wood [or whatever it is one says in English to ward off evil spirits from someone you have just spoken highly of!]. Your aunt would be able to tell you about her. So you should write [...] some time. Love and kisses from your Aunt Käthe. Dear Else, As you can see, I am in Wernigerode and I like it very much here. When I get back to Frankfurt, come and visit me. Regards from your aunt, [?Helen] Plaut Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Card 3: Abs. Else Schlößinger Frankfurt a/M Seilerstr. 24 [on the ruled lines between the postmarks:] 1916 15. Oktober ich gra- tuliere 1916 - 15 October - Congratulations! [?birthday/anniversary or something?] Frau K. Löwenstein Wernigrode/i. Harz Burgstraße № 9 Liebe Tante! Wie geht es denn bei Euch? Ich hoffe, daß alles gut ^geht, wie [... ... ...] ist. Ich lag vorige W[oche im] Krankenhause. Jetzt geht es mir aber wieder gut. Wie geht es deinen Kindern und Onkel. Du freust dich doch sicher, über mei- ne Phortografie. Ich schicke auch Tante Franz. eine. Hoffentlich schreibst du mir bald. Noch mit herzlichen Grüßen und Küßen verbleibe ich deine dichl. Else Dear Aunt, How are you all then? I hope everything is fine [?as I am too]. I was in hospital last week, but I am alright again now. How are the children and Uncle? I trust that you'll like my photo. I'm sending one to Aunt Franz. [?Franziska] too. I hope you write to me soon. With lots of love and kisses I remain your ever-loving Else Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 (edited) ... Unsere kleine Ruth die wir nicht mit phortografieren so fortgehen lassen konnten, da die wir in Leipzig waren, ist unberufen ein goldiges Ding. Edited 7 August , 2009 by egbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Hmmm, bin mir nicht so sicher, Egbert! Seem to be too many letters for so fortgehen. Note that Else also spells Phortografie with an R in the 3rd card. Perhaps it was a common error - all these newfangled words! I assume (hope!) that the picture on the reverse is a family portrait minus Ruth. If the sentence was "whom we couldn't allow to leave like that" (with so fortgehen), then Ruth would be there... I think. Unless she was too young to be taken to be photographed. Er, I'm not sure myself now! Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Hmmm, bin mir nicht so sicher, Egbert! Seem to be too many letters for so fortgehen. Note that Else also spells Phortografie with an R in the 3rd card. Perhaps it was a common error - all these newfangled words! Sorry to arrive late at the the party when most of the hard work has already been done. Congrats to all concerned, as ever. It isn't so fortgehen as the letters are all joined up and there is a vowel, almost certainly an 'o', between the 't' and the 'g'. I would agree with Adrian that it's phortografieren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 The Forum strikes again! How amazingly moving to hear the voices coming through from so long ago. Did you know your grandmother, Adrian? Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2009 QUOTE (apwright @ Aug 7 2009, 02:33 AM) Translation: To the pupil Else Schlösinger Israelite Orphanage Frankfurt am Main Seilerstraße Wernigerode, 19 June 1916 My dear Else, [first sentence incomplete but probably means something like:] You have already received a reply from me, but I wanted to send you this card so that you can see what our children look like. How are you? Please write to us often as it always makes me happy. You will already know that Uncle is in the trenches. I only hope God will protect him. Dear Else, I hope you will be able to cheer up your mother with a visit this year. Just be good and work hard always, and your teacher will be happy to allow it. Hoping to receive a long letter from you really soon, love and kisses from your Aunt Käthe Adrian Hi Adrian, Fantastic! This is what appears on the front of the card: So, this card indeed is from Kathe Löwenstein; the picture is of Kathe, Julius and Ruth Löwenstein. I know that Willi Plaut fought in the war, and he was one of Else's uncles...but would you take this to mean that Kathe's husband Willi Löwenstein is also in the trenches? I would be most interested in your opinion about that. I will post the fronts of the other two cards with their respective translations (and who is in them) next. I cannot thank everyone enough!! -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2009 QUOTE (apwright @ Aug 7 2009, 03:21 AM) Card 2: My dear Else, I hope you are well and that you are making good progress at school. We would be very happy if you would drop us a line some time. Our little Ruth, whom we couldn't have photographed at the same time because [?they] were in Leipzig, is a sweet little thing - touch wood [or whatever it is one says in English to ward off evil spirits from someone you have just spoken highly of!]. Your aunt would be able to tell you about her. So you should write [...] some time. Love and kisses from your Aunt Käthe. Dear Else, As you can see, I am in Wernigerode and I like it very much here. When I get back to Frankfurt, come and visit me. Regards from your aunt, [?Helen] Plaut Adrian Hi Adrian, Could the other signature be for Fran Plaut? I do not know of a Helen Plaut; Franziska Plaut was Kathe Löwenstein's sister, which would make sense. As promised, here is the front of card 2: That would be Kathe, Julius and Willi Löwenstien, with little Ruth off somewhere else. I think touch wood is right, and is the equivalent to knock on wood these days... Next will be Else's picture with her card. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2009 QUOTE (apwright @ Aug 7 2009, 03:35 AM) Card 3: Dear Aunt, How are you all then? I hope everything is fine [?as I am too]. I was in hospital last week, but I am alright again now. How are the children and Uncle? I trust that you'll like my photo. I'm sending one to Aunt Franz. [?Franziska] too. I hope you write to me soon. With lots of love and kisses I remain your ever-loving Else Adrian Hi Adrian, all... Here's is little Else's card: Can someone give me some sense as to why she would be in an orphanage if her mother (and perhaps her father too) were alive? Perhaps life was so hard for the family during the war they were unable to take care of them properly and sent them away where they would get better care? There is something faintly written on the front of this card...can anyone make it out? -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2009 Hi all, I found one more card last night sent to the orphanage; this time I will post the front and back at once. I now know the boy on this card is Julius Löwenstein: Here's the reverse...again, apologies for the damage; it was like this when I got it. I see mention of her Uncle Willi in there...I think. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 7 August , 2009 Share Posted 7 August , 2009 What an extraordinary story and what fascinating photos. As to why she was in an orphanage, I think it is most likely that her mother couldn't take proper care of them and they were taken into care, perhaps temporarily. My maternal grandmother lost her husband from natural causes in early 1917 and 6 weeks later her youngest child also died. The local vicar offered to take my mother and her brother 'on the parish', as he supposed Grandma wouldn't be able to look after them. He got a flea in his ear! My grandmother, having lost two in 6 weeks, was determined not to lose the other two as well. Perhaps your grandmother's mother wasn't in a position to object. I heard of a similar case not so long ago in the Metz area of France. A woman there had been reunited with two of her three daughters, who had been taken into care in the 1950's while she found herself a job following her husband's death. The appalling thing was that the authorities put the three girls up for adoption without their mother's knowledge or approval and when she contacted the home - only 6 months later - the girls had gone to America. She only met them again in the 1990s. Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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