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Terry Denham

New CWGC Commemorations

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Terry Denham

CWGC added the following 'new' WW1 casualties to its Debt of Honour database on Tuesday 7th July.

Pte John CLARK

S/40534 6th Bn, Cameron Highlanders

Died 29.04.17 Age 20

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Sjt Thomas CLEMENTS

8895 1st Bn, Royal Scots Fusiliers

Died 03.05.17 Age 28

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte Arthur Harold CROW

270 10th Bn, Lincolnshire Regiment

Died 28.04.17 Age 25

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte Robert Percy CROWTHER

55352 1st Bn, Northumberland Fusiliers

Died 28.03.18 Age 20

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte George DAVIS

202772 7th Bn, Norfolk Regiment

Died 28.04.17 Age 23

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte Samuel DAWES

S/5612 1/4th Bn, Seaforth Highlanders

Died 21.03.18 Age 33

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte William Henry DESBRAY

631653 1/20th Bn, London Regiment

Died 23.03.18 Age 24

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

L/Cpl James DINNION

42373 24th Bn, Northumberland Fusiliers

Died 24.04.17 Age 30

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte Charles Arthur ECKETT

41107 1st Bn, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

Died 19.05.17 Age 38

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

Pte Walter FERN

156 1st Bn, Gloucestershire Regiment

Died 20.02.16 Age 31

Commemoration: Arras Memorial, France

NOT FORGOTTEN

The above are In From The Cold Project cases.

The above casualties were all killed in action or missing presumed dead excluding Pte Clark who died of wounds.

Pte Clark (Volunteer: Adrian Wright)

Sjt Clements (Volunteer: Steve Mattock)

Pte Crow (Volunteer: Adrian Wright)

Pte Crowther (Volunteer: Adrian Wright)

Pte Davis (Volunteer: Steve Mattock)

Pte Dawes (Volunteer: Steve Mattock)

Pte Desbray (Volunteer: John Hartley)

L/Cpl Dinnion (Volunteer: Neil Mackenzie)

Pte Eckett (Volunteer: Neil Mackenzie)

Pte Fern (Volunteer: John Hartley)

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stevem49
Never Forgotten

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chrisharley9

May They Rest In Peace

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1690philip

Terry how many new commemorations have you and the project done to date?

Regards,

Phil

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River97
Terry how many new commemorations have you and the project done to date?

Regards,

Phil

Phil,

176 to date.

In From The Cold

To the ten - rest in peace soldier boys. Gone and no longer forgotten. :poppy:

Cheers Andy.

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Will O'Brien

Raising a glass to the memory of John, Thomas, Arthur, Robert, George, Samuel, William, James, Charles & Walter. Fallen but not forgotten. Raising another to the efforts of Adrian, Steve, John & Neil.

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temptage

Strangely the entry for Arthur Harold Crow of the Lincolnshire Regiment is no longer on the CWGC database. I have been waiting for his name to be added to the Addenda Panel at Arras Memorial for years, and today when I looked for his entry in the database, which had been on there for years, it is no longer available.

 

:huh::unsure::wacko::blink::glare:

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temptage

I emailed the CWGC and received this reply just an hour later

 

"Thank you for your email below.

Having consulted our internal records, i can confirm that 270 Private Crow was removed from our records in January 2018.

Although he had originally been accepted by the service authority as a war casualty, this decision was based solely on a copy of his "death certificate".

Since that time further evidence has come to light including the Soldiers Effects Register, which states man Alive as POW, and also the German POW records which again confirms that he actually survived as a prisoner of war.

This evidence overrides the "death certificate" as they were regularly issued where it was only presumed someone had died.

As he no longer falls within the Commissions criteria, he will no longer appear on our database or ultimately on the Addenda Panel on the Arras Memorial.

I trust this answers your query."

 

So there you go. The tale of a man who was missing, was found, was added, and now taken away. 

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PaulC78
On 07/02/2019 at 00:42, temptage said:

So there you go. The tale of a man who was missing, was found, was added, and now taken away. 

 

Interesting. Do we know when Crow actually died? If he was born in 1892 then presumably he's the Arthur Harold Crow who died at Casitor in 1972?

 

He might be gone from the CWGC records, but he still has a profile on Every One Remembered: https://www.everyoneremembered.org/profiles/soldier/75228290/

Edited by PaulC78

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ss002d6252

This is his PoW card - https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/889920/3/2/
 

The effects records  by itself would indicate he was found alive between the original effects payment in September 1917 and the war gratuity being paid in 1919/20 (no war gratuity was paid so presumably the 'Man Alive and a prisoner of war' was added before the war gratuity was dealt with). The PoW records are stamped by the Red Cross as August 17 so it must have just missed the War Office settling up his army estate.

 

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Craig

Edited by ss002d6252

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temptage
20 hours ago, PaulC78 said:

 

Interesting. Do we know when Crow actually died? If he was born in 1892 then presumably he's the Arthur Harold Crow who died at Casitor in 1972?

 

 

Yes I believe that it is one and the same. His birth date confirming 1892 as the year of birth is on the POW card. There was also no mention of his death on his medal card, and he was awarded 2 of the 3 medals post war. Its obvious when all the details are there to see, but just goes to show how much we rely on the CWGC and their records.

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