dekenai Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 g'day all, have a look at this link and name the Generals---don't scroll down for the names until you've had a go. I got 7 straight off, 2 others l miss-named. Having done this, name the 2 prominent generals missing. cheers dekenai http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/10089.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 Bit of artistic licence with French`s height? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 Apparently artistic circles (and others) referred to this painting as 'Still life, with boots.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 A print of this portrait - with only half of the officers identified - used to be on the wall outside Room 254 of the Old War Office in Whitehall (254 was formerly the Chief of the Imperial General Staff's Briefing Room). There was also a bust of Kitchener on a plinth inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 It is one of a set of three works; the other two concerning the Navy Staff and the war's leading politicians from the empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 No Hubert Gough and I forget the other one, but guess I will be a tad stupid looking. Maude obviously was dead by this time! It can be obtained as a canvas print from the National portrait gallery and it looks rather good. Not that i have one of my own. Regards Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 14 June , 2009 Share Posted 14 June , 2009 Archie Murray may have warranted a mention given his C.I.G.S. and service in the desert. Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 15 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2009 c'mon Chaps, have a go, names left to right (without peeking), Gough was one, The other? in fact there could be another 2. anyone?! I didn't consider Murray--but l reckon he should have been included. Yep, Maude was dead (cholera in 1917). The painting was commissioned in 1922 by Sir Abraham Bailey to commemorate the generals who won the war. cheers dekenai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 15 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2009 --and who else was dead by the time the painting was commissioned? Wilson died after. RDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rice Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Was Viscount Julian Byng any relation of Admiral John Byng who was executed in 1757 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhill Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Yes. He was the great-great-grandson of the admiral's elder brother, Robert George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Oh how stupid am I... said I would didn't I. Its Smith-Dorrien!! Regards Arm Ps I guess also Maxwell from early desert service could have been included and then if we start to expand both Lake and Nixon from Mespot as well. I wonder how the inclusion/selection list was put together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Maude obviously was dead by this time! So was Botha. It's awful. Passionless, perfunctory and phoney. You can tell his heart wasn't in it. Compare it with some of the other work in the same website, eg 'Gassed' or the small studies on the 1918 page. Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rice Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Yes. He was the great-great-grandson of the admiral's elder brother, Robert George. Thank you for your answer, JHILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 15 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Smith-Dorrien, no-- the name l'm after was in charge of a failed campaign. --the other, fought the Boer war and wounded, then did something different, and was in charge of--- for the war's duration. Major-general then ended up as a Viscount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Hamilton....doh Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 15 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Take a cigar----General Sir Ian Hamilton (perhaps he didn't get an invite for the sitting?) and the other mysterious General with his head in the clouds ?---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 Hugh Trenchard Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 15 June , 2009 Share Posted 15 June , 2009 the name l'm after was in charge of a failed campaign. Is that supposed to narrow it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 15 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2009 now take any prize form the top shelf guv'nor ! Marshal of the Royal Air Force The Right Honourable The Viscount Trenchard of Wolfeton, GCB, OM, GCVO, DSO. A very impressive biography, there wasn't much he hadn't done in Military service. l guess Gough may also not been invited after 5th Army collapse. So Murray, Hamilton, Gough, Trenchard should be remembered as Generals who helped win the Great War. thanks all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 16 June , 2009 Share Posted 16 June , 2009 Is that supposed to narrow it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 16 June , 2009 Share Posted 16 June , 2009 Well, I'm surprised... I named 13 without cheating, and noticed Gough and Smith-Dorrien were missing. The others mentioned might have come if I had thought for longer. I'm actually quite impressed. Artistic license with French's height? None with Wilson's beauty! Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenai Posted 17 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 17 June , 2009 Nigel, beaten at the buzzer by 'ol mate ARM--although he didn't own up to naming all--please take a a prize for the top shelf also, and thanks for playing. do you think S-D, Hamilton,and Goughie missed out politically? cheers RDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 17 June , 2009 Share Posted 17 June , 2009 I actually had a copy in my possession which was given as a present yesterday to someone, so to name them was a bit of a cheat, however I had not looked at it from the angle of who was missing! It looks very nice framed up. Regards Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 17 June , 2009 Share Posted 17 June , 2009 do you think S-D, Hamilton,and Goughie missed out politically? Certainly I thought so for Smith-Dorrien and Gough, but I never even noticed Hamilton was missing! I still think Gough was treated appallingly..... but that's another thread enirely! Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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