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9th Btn Welsh Regiment


Ryegate

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Hi

would someone please kindly tell me where the 9th Btn Welsh Regiment would have been in January 1917?

Much appreciated

Ryegate

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The 9th Btn took part in the battle of Messines, 19th Div, part of 58th Brigade, who attacked towards the Grand Bois, in May they were in training for this attack, will dig a bit deeper.

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It appears they were on the Somme, on 11th of March they left the Somme, for 2nd Army, working behind St Eloi, and did 2 tours in the frontline, on the 15th may they were withdrawn to train for Messines, still digging

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Yes the Somme. On the 30-31st jan, they made a raid on German trench's , at the Point, mid way between Hebuterne and Serre.

The 9th at the end of The battle of the Somme were in the area of Stuff Redoubt, on 14th Nov they made a raid on a German trench system in Stump road. On the 17th they lost there CO who was invalidid home. They were relieved from the frontlines on 17th nov, cant find out where they wintered.

The British, between December 1916-March 1917, made a number of small attacks, so that by April a assault of the Loupart line (a loop line from le Transloy to Bucquoy) could be made from the south. The 9th made a attack on St Davids day, on a elaborate trench system the British called knife and fork trench. 1st-2nd march they captured a portion of the german trench called Berg Graben Trench, which was renamed St David's trench.

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On 10 January 1917, 58 Brigade of the 19th Division (including 9th Welsh) were in the front line near Hebuterne, in the northern Somme sector.

"The only operation during the remainder of January was a raid by the 9th Welsh of the 8th Brigade on German posts just south of The Point. The enemy, however, was on the alert, and none were captured although casualties were inflicted on him. The raid took place at 2.15 a.m. on the 31st."

February was quiet on the Divisional front, and in March the division took part in the advance to the Hindenburg Line.

The History of the 19th Division then states;

"The 19th Division had been in the line for nearly two months during exceptionally severe weather, and was in need of rest and refitting. But it was rather hard that, having helped to drive the Boche out of his positions, the Division had not the satisfaction of chasing him right back to the Hindenburg Line. The stay in the Bus-en-Artois area was, however, but temporary, for on the 7th orders were received from V Corps Headquarters stating that the Division was to be transferred to the Second Army, and on the 9th the first stage of the march was carried out, via Beauval, Bouquemaison, Ramecourt (St. Pol), Pernes, Norrent Fontes, Steenbecque and Merris: the Division reaching the Fletre area on the 20th of March."

Hopefully this will answer your question. If you want ba map of the area, I think I have one somewhere.

SteveJ.

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Thank you both for such good information.

Really appreciated.

Are you also able to help with the 19th Pioneer Btn Welsh Regiment? The whereabouts in January 1917 would be great if anyone knows it.

Thanks very much

Ryegate

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The raid on the night of 30-31st Jan was under taken by 2 officers and 31 OR's, as they approached the German wire they were confronted by a much superior force who were also advancing, they took cover in shell holes and opened up with there 2 Lewis Guns, inflicting considerable losses to fritz, and no losses to them selves.

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During the winter of 1916-1917, the 38th Div were in trench's in the salient, in December they took over the Boesinghe front up to Bouvines farm, they had the Belgian army on there left. With a break of a month including xmas. So they would have been in the north of the salient.

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August 1916 to July 1917, they were in the extreme north of the salient,on the line I mention above, except for a short spell in training for 3rd Ypres. They lost 1 officer and 58 OR's entirely from shell fire in this time.

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