NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Hi everyone I did start this by posting on soldiers but wondered if this may be better? I have a Percy William Broughton who served 1st Bn., Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment). He died of wounds 26 Feb 1918 and is buried in Plot 1. Row F. Grave 8. Giavera cemetery Italy. His CWGC certificate has M M on it . Yet his MIC does not show this award but he was Gazzetted Jan 1918. How do I find out what he was awarded the MM for please? Thanks for taking a look Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Firstly there are 2 MIcs one gor his service medals which usualy do mot indicate an MM and his MM one Description Medal card of Broughton, P W Corps Regiment No Rank Royal West Kent Regiment 3734 Lance Corporal Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/23 Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War Piece Women's Services, Distinguished Conduct Medals and Military Medals Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection there are few LG citations so you will have to try local papers around when he was awarded the MM and his obituary if there was one. Even the regiment diaries seldom have citations as such . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Welsh Doc Nice one - thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Welsh Doc Just down loaded the card from NA. I have now put a post on Soldiers to ask some questions about him over there. Thank you so much Cheers Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayles Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 I assume you are aware that there was usually a considerable delay between the recommendation being submitted and the LG entry appearing. For an example my Great Granddad was recommended for an immediate award in the middle of June 1918 and wasn't gazetted until October. Applying a similar delay would put your man at the Third Battle of Ypres, shortly before being sent to Italy with 4 other British Divisions. The 5th Infantry Division was only in Italy a few short months before returning to France to help stem the German Spring Offensive of 1918. In that time they held the line on the Piave but were not involved in any major actions. All to the best of my knowledge. You've already had the best advice as far as researching the actual citation so this reply was just to possibly give you a little more context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboat Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Nigel, Searching through Captain Atkinson's "The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment 1914-1918" there is a reference to a Private Broughton. On the given page it gives the date Oct 4th 1917, 1st Battalion and is as follows: "L/Cpl Glen and Ptes Passy and BROUGHTON in like manner kept their Lewis guns in action single-handed or with but little help, and largely thanks to the skilful way in which the Lewis guns were used the counter-attacks were all repulsed." It does not say if the M.M was awarded for this action but the fact it gets a mention is telling. Also this is not conclusive proof that it is the same man you are researching but what are the odds? regards Stuart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2009 I assume you are aware that there was usually a considerable delay between the recommendation being submitted and the LG entry appearing. For an example my Great Granddad was recommended for an immediate award in the middle of June 1918 and wasn't gazetted until October. Applying a similar delay would put your man at the Third Battle of Ypres, shortly before being sent to Italy with 4 other British Divisions. The 5th Infantry Division was only in Italy a few short months before returning to France to help stem the German Spring Offensive of 1918. In that time they held the line on the Piave but were not involved in any major actions. All to the best of my knowledge. You've already had the best advice as far as researching the actual citation so this reply was just to possibly give you a little more context. Thanks Nayles Good info. I was aware of the delay. the infill is very welcome Cheers Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Nigel, Searching through Captain Atkinson's "The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment 1914-1918" there is a reference to a Private Broughton. On the given page it gives the date Oct 4th 1917, 1st Battalion and is as follows: "L/Cpl Glen and Ptes Passy and BROUGHTON in like manner kept their Lewis guns in action single-handed or with but little help, and largely thanks to the skilful way in which the Lewis guns were used the counter-attacks were all repulsed." It does not say if the M.M was awarded for this action but the fact it gets a mention is telling. Also this is not conclusive proof that it is the same man you are researching but what are the odds? regards Stuart. Sturat Nice one. The odds are not good though as I have found another percy broughton in the same regiment at the same time, unless my man had 2 different nos and 2 quite different MIC's I have posted a request for help on soldiers now to try and sort this out? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 I think it can be taken pretty much as gospel that Stuart's quote is the relevent one. Not only because his name is actually mentioned, but the time gap between the date mentioned and the London Gazette date is bang on right - about 3 or 4 months later. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 3 June , 2009 Share Posted 3 June , 2009 ...and Glen has a M.M. in the same issue as 3734 Broughton.... 957 A./Cpl. J. Glen, R.W. Kent R. (Beckenham). http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/304...upplements/1386 Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRFT Posted 3 June , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2009 Folks That is absolutely splendid responses about which I am so pleased - thank you very much. Now i wonder where the actual medal is???? Thanks again Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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