Yeomans Posted 26 April , 2009 Share Posted 26 April , 2009 I am researching for a family friend 40220 Arthur Spreadborough (AS) killed in action 7th June 1917. AS was First Driver of tank 2024 a Male Mk IV of No 12 Section "A" Battalion Heavy Branch MGC - commanded by 2nd Lieut Harold Duckett and attached to 47th Division. I have the War Diary extract giving details of the tank's action on 7th June. Duckett was seriously wounded fairly early on and the tank was then detailed to attack the White Chateau in support of 7th London Regiment. It ended up ditched there. 76366 Sgt. W Poole and AS were killed whislt trying to dig the tank out, the unditching gear having failed to release them. 77058 Gnr. T Bellamy was wounded. Can anyone direct me to any phoptographs of the White Chateau from this period ? I guess the chances of there being a photograph of Arthur's tank will be very remote- but who knows. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_oz Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Nick Just saw this thread I dont have any photos from June but here is one from 20 May 1917 and another from 16 Feb 1918 which may help. Tim B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piorun Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 I have a personal connection to a Spreadborough (or Spreadbury). Is the White Chateau referred to nearby Hellfire Corner or is it one of the others? Antony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Hi Nick, This might be another one for forum Pal Sabine, she has an amazing collection of postcards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomans Posted 24 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Tim, Thank you for posting the two photographs. I have another couple of other aerial photographs from the period if you would be interested. Antony, This White Chatea is in Hollebeke - I will post a trench map extract over the weekend when I am back at base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Hello, there were several chateau's who got the name white chateau, so an exact location would help me to show you postcards of the correct chateau. kind regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomans Posted 24 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Soren, I am fairly new to the GW Forum can you guide me to Forum Pal Sabine ? Many thanks Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Nick, she's here already, hunting down the pictures sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 The White Chateau near Hell Fire Corner, the one where Haig was for a while, is not the same as Hollebeke White Chateau. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Ruins White Chateau Hollebeke (By the way, don't be surprised if somewhere you read : Voormezele. The Chateau was on territory Voormezele, but much close to the centre of Hollebeke.) May 1917. I think I got the pic (via a / the Forum ?) from Dave Croonaert. No tank visible ... :-( Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Aurel, would that be manoir diable from the family mahieu that was rebuild in 1901 in white stone that one was on the border of voormezele and not rebuild after the war regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Sabine, I'm not sure about the name "manoir diable", but it certainly was the Mahieu Chateau. (I think a while ago there was a Topic (Dutch forum ? Paul Reed's Forum ?), in which I was involved too, about the (difference between) White Chateau, and Hollebeke Schloss (the latter just east of the railroad.) The fact that part of the White Chateau, the stables, in German sources is named "Rotes Schloss" makes the whole thing a little complicated. And apart from that Hollebeke also had a "Raabschloss" and a "Voddenkasteeltje". (The latter still there, rebuilt, east of the railroad, high on a slope. Which is not easy to climb by bike with the wind ahead. I can assure you. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Aurel, if it's the mahieu chateau then it used to have the name manoir diable, way before our time. And yes a few month's ago on paul's forum there was a tread. I remember, I found the pictures of mahieu's chateau, the first one and then the one rebuild early 1900's also the vodden kasteel was in a white stone before the war but that is border zillebeke hollebeke and then you had chateau valdelière ferry or chateau hollebeke with all the towers but that was not white and not to forget jacht huis 'de vierlingen' also owned by the family mahieu. if it's the same family but I think so, how many mahieu's from armentières would have properties in our area. now I can start locate the pictures on my computer or just scan them again. kind regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 not a verry nice scan but the chateau end 19 century and the chateau ( below) rebuild beginning 1900 kind regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 I have 1914 and 1915 pictures of two Hollebeke Chateau's: "Kleines Schloß Hollebeke" and "Schloß Hollebeke". Which Chateau are we looking for now -I am puzzled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Egbert, I have pics of "all" Chateaus (except maybe Ra(a)bschloss). Schloss Hollebeke must be the one just east of the village centre and east of the railroad. (I'll post a pic after this.) White Chateau was northwest of the Hollebeke village centre. (Now gof course Palingbeek) I wonder what you mean bij "Kleines Schloss". Can't be White Chateau, as this was the larger one. (See Sabine's pic.) But as I said : there is a lot of name confusing in the sources. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Egbert, I don't realy now the german names of the chateau's, but the photo's I posted are for the same chateau the upper photo's is the oldest one, madame mahieu decided to pull down the chateau and rebuild it in an other style, her father told her not to do, she did it anyway and lest then 14 years later the war broke out. chateau gone and her sons died during the war regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Schloss Hollebeke, the one east of the centre, and east of the railroad. Pic dating from 1908. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Sabine is right. Of course she is. She is a woman ! Another pic of the White Chateau. The way it looked like when the war broke out. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Bayernschloss, Schloss Hollebeke, Weisse Schloss (White Chateau) : all the same chateau Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabine72 Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Aurel, you make me blush I guess we should go out one day on the bike to explore the area of the chateau's. kleines shloss could that be kasteel de vierlingen? regards sabine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Like Aurel said, it is confusing, I have the 3 names used by the Germans for the above chateau but there were 3 chateaus, schloss Hollebeke, Bayernschloss Rotes Schloss (close to White Chateau Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 Got it, White chateau is not Schloss Hollebeke, see post nr.18 (Schloss Hollebeke is a smaller chateau) Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 I guess its my turn now to contribute to the confusion. I have a series of 4 images covering 14/15 from Kleines Schlöß in Hollebeke. This is one of them: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 24 July , 2009 Share Posted 24 July , 2009 This is Schloß Hollebeke and adjacent park, an image from a series of 9 which cover the period 14-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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