David B Posted 15 March , 2009 Posted 15 March , 2009 Sorry about the faux pas re photo, hope this one turns out better David
bobshaw Posted 16 March , 2009 Posted 16 March , 2009 Sorry about the faux pas re photo, hope this one turns out better David Hi rgartillery, sorry for interferring with your photo, not very clear on screen so have enhanced it. Bob
David B Posted 16 March , 2009 Author Posted 16 March , 2009 be my guest Bob I am a bit of a tyro when it comes to putting photos on the forum, I'm just lucky to get it on at all David
MelPack Posted 16 March , 2009 Posted 16 March , 2009 David Just a few observations. The two on the right both have solid blocks of good conduct chevrons - far right looks like four and second right looks like five. They also have overseas stripes on their right sleeves - far right looks like a block of four. The second left has a medal ribbon -QSA? The fact that there are no Star ribbons on display may help to date the photo - 1917? Mel
David B Posted 16 March , 2009 Author Posted 16 March , 2009 Mel, Thanks for yr interest. Having a long look at the original photo - which is a little faded but still in good condition, the one on the left has crown on his sleeve (WO2 ?), next is an officer - no rank discernable, the third crown and star?? not sure of that rank, and the fourth prob Pte as I canot see any rank badges. Three and four both have four (definitely) inverted o/seas service stripes. I just wonder why this photo, it must have been of some significance as my g/father never brought much memoribilia when he came to Australia, about all that is left is his original 1885 paybook, his WO1 badge an RGA badge and medals. I still have all. David
Stebie9173 Posted 16 March , 2009 Posted 16 March , 2009 Is the 2nd left not a Warrant Officer as well. He is not wearing the officers shirt and tie, but instead the Sam-Browne, OR Collar, and collar badges which I have seen on photos of RSMs ? I would think 1st left is a Battery Sergeant Major (WO2) and the 2nd left Regimental Sergeant-Major (WO1) ? I, of course, defer to the experts. Steve.
David B Posted 16 March , 2009 Author Posted 16 March , 2009 Steve, My g/father was the RSM of 30 HAG and I have always surmised that he took the photo - unless this group is of a visiting battery, could be I suppose. As second left was wearing the long boots I took it for an officer but once again I am not too well up on army dress. Now navy thats different david
Andrew Upton Posted 17 March , 2009 Posted 17 March , 2009 Is the 2nd left not a Warrant Officer as well. He is not wearing the officers shirt and tie, but instead the Sam-Browne, OR Collar, and collar badges which I have seen on photos of RSMs ? It's difficult to tell from the picture, but it's possible he could be an Officer wearing the pre-war type Service Dress (which was closed at the collar). The biggest clue would be on his lower sleeves, which unfortunately he has hidden behind his back...
Piorun Posted 15 July , 2009 Posted 15 July , 2009 David Just a few observations. The two on the right both have solid blocks of good conduct chevrons - far right looks like four and second right looks like five. They also have overseas stripes on their right sleeves - far right looks like a block of four. The second left has a medal ribbon -QSA? The fact that there are no Star ribbons on display may help to date the photo - 1917? Mel Are these not wound stripes on the left sleeve rather than GC chevrons?
David B Posted 15 July , 2009 Author Posted 15 July , 2009 Hi Mel, wound stripes (in Australia anyway, although these guys would not be Aussies) consisted of a straight line, done in gold braid and stitched on the sleeve in line with the seam. These stripes are good conduct stripes and overseas service stripes. Cheers
SteveE Posted 15 July , 2009 Posted 15 July , 2009 Are these not wound stripes on the left sleeve rather than GC chevrons? No, Mel is correct in identifying them as Good Conduct Chevrons, the wound stripe was a strip of "gold Russia braid, No.1, two inches in length, sewn perpendicularly on the left sleeve of the jacket to mark each occasion on which wounded" This image (original can be found here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...p;#entry1122358) clearly shows the difference between the two. Regards Steve
Piorun Posted 16 July , 2009 Posted 16 July , 2009 No, Mel is correct in identifying them as Good Conduct Chevrons, the wound stripe was a strip of "gold Russia braid, No.1, two inches in length, sewn perpendicularly on the left sleeve of the jacket to mark each occasion on which wounded" This image (original can be found here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...p;#entry1122358) clearly shows the difference between the two. Regards Steve 'morning, Steve. That's two in a row I've missed. Stripped of my Marksman's Badge, I surrender You'd think that 12 years' service and sitting in front of my uncle's photograph, two wound stripes and all, I'd know better than to post at midnight. I zoomed to 400% and could see the chevron return reasonably well. I apologise for sowing confusion and can only plead old age and infirmity Yours, Antony
David B Posted 17 July , 2009 Author Posted 17 July , 2009 Antony, anyone who's never made a mistake has never done anything, cheers
Piorun Posted 18 July , 2009 Posted 18 July , 2009 Antony, anyone who's never made a mistake has never done anything, cheers G'day, David. Thanks for cheering up an old soldier. My wife and I were in Canberra a few years back. Nice spot. My wife's sister and her husband live in Nowra, NSW, and we have a nephew in Brisbane. I played rugby in Oz back in '83. Got a broken eye-socket for my troubles. Nice lads, tho' A.
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