welshdoc Posted 13 March , 2009 Share Posted 13 March , 2009 Please I need some advcie from the RNAS and RAF crew. When the RNAS became part of the RAF did the RNAS number change by adding numbers to replace the letter. For example F4752 to become 204752 Question two why would the chaps victory medal be RNAS and the BWM numberd to the RAF? cheers Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 13 March , 2009 Share Posted 13 March , 2009 1) Yes, the RNAS numbers had 200000 added to them and the F was dropped. So F1 RNAS became 200001 RAF. 2) If he was issued with medals by both the Admiralty and the Air Ministry. 3) do you have his service records for RNAS & RAF? The RNAS service register is online; the RAF record for the example you gave should be in AIR 79/1844. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 13 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 13 March , 2009 Thanks Per Ardua... that helps a lot the medals are to a Harry Jones Served from 1915 on the Campania, Canning and Emperor of India. Ive had them years and only recently noticed the BWM and Victory had different numbers. Ive his RNAS service file but not the RAF. I started collecting RNAS RFC RAF medals but interest lay elsewhere so thought Id better check they are ok . Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 14 March , 2009 Share Posted 14 March , 2009 The Admiralty would have issued the 1914/15 Star, if he had one it should be shown on the medal roll in ADM 171/107. They may have then issued the pair too (that should be recorded on the roll) if the instructions were unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 14 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 14 March , 2009 Its a bit odd hes got a 15 star and star to the RNAS but the BWM has the 20*** number to the RAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 15 March , 2009 Share Posted 15 March , 2009 Allocation of numbers to airmen 200001-202902 Transfers from RNAS (1914 entrants) Allocated April 1918 202903-210316 Transfers from RNAS (1915 entrants) Allocated April 1918 210317-225060 Transfers from RNAS (1916 entrants) Allocated April 1918 225061-244710 Transfers from RNAS (1917 entrants) Allocated April 1918 244711-260000 Transfers from RNAS (1918 entrants) Allocated April 1918 313001-316000 Transfers from RNAS - ex Royal Navy. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 15 March , 2009 Share Posted 15 March , 2009 Its a bit odd hes got a 15 star and star to the RNAS but the BWM has the 20*** number to the RAF. You need to check his RAF service record, maybe its as simple as the RAF issued him with a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 15 March , 2009 Share Posted 15 March , 2009 313001-316000 Transfers from RNAS - ex Royal Navy. Do you have the numbers for the Royal Marine transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 15 March , 2009 Share Posted 15 March , 2009 No I don't but the number block 400000-410432 was issued in Sept 1918 to general transfers. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 16 March , 2009 Share Posted 16 March , 2009 I've heard that block was used for Territorial men. I have seen on service records men who were in the RFC being renumbered to the 400000 series after the formation of the RAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 17 March , 2009 Share Posted 17 March , 2009 I'm sure they would have done because that was quite a large block allocation. The 4 series block was used for- 410440-410999 Transfers Royal Corps Signals Oct 1939 411000-411220 Army transfers middle east June 1936 411221-411230 Navy transfers middle east Jan 1933 411231-411250 Jugoslav transfers from British Army Middle East March 1944 411300-411749 Army transfers RAF Regt instructors March 1937 412000-412999 Transfers from Navy March 1943 420000-499999 Various WAAF 1940-1947 I'm sure they made sense to someone. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis Posted 17 March , 2009 Share Posted 17 March , 2009 I have medals to a lieut in the RAF which consist of World War One medals and GSM bar Iraq these have RAF on them. He also had RNAS service and has a LS&GCM which has PO as his rank . He went from RNAS to RAF and was commissioned in the RAF when he left the RN. The service number no longer features in the RAF medals due to his commission but his RN medal still has full details on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 17 March , 2009 Share Posted 17 March , 2009 Thanks Mick, the transfers that I have seen were WWI entrants, I was recently looking through an AIR 79 file for numbers in the 99000 range and there were several men who had been renumbered to the 400000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 17 March , 2009 Share Posted 17 March , 2009 nemesis, do you have his service register entry for his time in the RN? His RAF record has probably not been transferred yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis Posted 17 March , 2009 Share Posted 17 March , 2009 nemesis, do you have his service register entry for his time in the RN? His RAF record has probably not been transferred yet. Yes I have some paperwork on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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