henry panter

[philedwards69]

Found out this week that my great grandfather was killed in 1914 but cant work out where? ,i have his war medal records ,but was not even aware he died in ww1 ,(never discussed)but is listed on the upton st leonards war memorial in glos , i note he was a cpl and is buried over in france at grave MR0029?, I have no more info ,no pictures i ,

Any help on where he was ,how he died ,where he is buried would be much apprieciated ,i think he died 1st nov 1914,he had a clasp 2699 as well but have no idea what this is for

kind regs Phil Edwards

[Bardess]

Hi Phil

According to his CWGC listing he has no known grave

Diane

[grantowi]

From SDGW:

Regiment, Corps etc.: Gloucestershire Regiment

Battalion etc.: 1st Battalion.

4.8.14 Bordon: 3rd Bde. 1st Div. 13.8.14 landed at Havre. 11.11.18 3rd Bde. 1st Div. France; Fresnoy-le-Grand.

Last name: Panter

First name(s): Henry

Initials: H

Birthplace: All Saints, Gloucester

Enlisted: Bristol

Residence:

Rank: CPL.

Number: 8064

Date died: 1 November 1914

How died: Died

Theatre of war: France & Flanders

You can download his MIC here for £2: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=6

Grant

[Robert526]

Hi We must be related or at least share the same Grandmother? I also thought that Henry Panter was my Grandfather but found `(after looking on Upton St Leonards War Memorial) that he died 1/11/14. My Mother, Ivy Panter was born 29/09/1916.

As far as I could find out, he was killed just outside Yypes when the Gloucester's had a pasting. There is a memorial to the action listed in "Before Endevours Fade" by Rose Coombes but I can not find my copy to give you the details or location. The library may be able to help.

[KevinBattle]

Robert: You do realise the connection with the Gloucesters doesn't end there?

I'm afraid it looks as if your uncle was also a casualty.

Name: Ivy Panter. Mother's Maiden Name: Baker. Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915

Registration District: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. Volume: 3a. Page: 1646

Name: Gertrude Miles. Spouse: Henry Panter Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913

Registration District: Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Volume: 6a. Page: 707.

Name: Gertrude Panter. Spouse: Sidney W Phelpstead. Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920

Registration District: Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Volume: 6a. Page: 981.

Name: William Sidney Phelpstead. Birth Date: 29 Sep 1894. Date of Registration: Sep 1974

Age at Death: 80. Registration District: Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Volume: 22. Page: 1821.

Name: Sidney William Phelpstead. Age in 1911: 16. Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895.

Birth Place: Churchdown, Gloucestershire. Street Address: 49 Vauxhall Road, Gloucester

Occupation: Porter Draper shop.

Name: Sydney Phelpstead. Discharge Unit: 5th. R. C. ex Middsx. Regiment Number: 151387.

Rank: Pte. Badge Number: 330755. Unit: Labour Corps (Nottingham).

Piece: 3186. List Number: LC 0901-1200. Record Group: WO. Record Class: 329.

Enlisted 1 September 1914. Discharged 6 October 1917 aged 22 due to Wounds.

Medal Index card shows Private 3134 Middlesex Regiment and 151387 Labour Corps and his 1915 Star, British War and Victory medals all seem to be on the Labour Corps Rolls.

Looks as if he was wounded soon after arriving in France on 25 July 1915 and didn't regain A1 medical status but able to be used in a Labour Corps unit in France.

I rather suspect that he met Gerty while awaiting discharge, ether due to further wounds or relapse from original wounds.

Address given as Ellayncole House, India Road, Gloucester

Name: Sidney William Phelpstead. Age: 19. Birth Date: abt 1921. Death Date: 20 May 1940

Cemetery: Longuenesse St Omer Souvenir Cemetery. Burial Country: France

Father: Sidney William Phelpstead. Mother: Gertrude Phelpstead. Service Number: 5182922. Region or Memorial: France

PHELPSTEAD, SIDNEY WILLIAM. Rank: Drummer. Service No: 5182922. Date of Death: 20/05/1940. Age: 19.

Regiment/Service: Gloucestershire Regiment. 5th Bn.

Grave Reference: Plot 8. Row B. Grave 27. Cemetery: LONGUENESSE (ST. OMER) SOUVENIR CEMETERY

Additional Information: Son of Sidney William and Gertrude Phelpstead, of Gloucester.

[philedwards69]

All pretty bang on apart from ivy being born in Bucks she was my nans sister

And defo from Gloucester Gertrude was Daniel miles daughter and my great gran do you live in Gloucester rob

[Robert526]

Thanks for the information, Lot of stuff that I did not know.

[KevinBattle]

do you live in Gloucester rob

Rob

You've been asked if you live near Gloucester by Bald7 as it would seem a useful by product if you two could meet up and exchange information.

There was a requirement for a minimum 5 posts before being able to use the Private Messaging facility, but give it a try, both of you and you never know the message might get through.

You could also join a WW2 Forum such as WW2Talk and enquire as to the 5th Battalion Gloucesters War Diary covering the May period and Dunkirk evacuation.

It may not mention your uncle specifically but you never know until you try.

[Robert526]

Rob

You've been asked if you live near Gloucester by Bald7 as it would seem a useful by product if you two could meet up and exchange information.

There was a requirement for a minimum 5 posts before being able to use the Private Messaging facility, but give it a try, both of you and you never know the message might get through.

You could also join a WW2 Forum such as WW2Talk and enquire as to the 5th Battalion Gloucesters War Diary covering the May period and Dunkirk evacuation.

It may not mention your uncle specifically but you never know until you try.

We will get together soon to soon to exchange information. My mother would have been his Great Aunt, so we have worked out our relationship. I am going to Belgium & France on Tuesday to visit the Battlefield. Paul Reed (Ledger Holidays Guide) did some research for me on Drummer Phelpsted, so I now how he died. They set up an HQ in a Marie in Bruyelle. Bad move as the Germans sent mortar rounds over. Sydney was killed there and buried in a local Church. After the War he was moved to a CWG site near St Omar. His Bugle was returned to my Grandmother but passed to another branch of the family on her death. My son is a Brass Band player and does the Resemblance Service at our local Church. It would be fantastic if we could trace that Bugle and my son could use it for the Service. Probably stuck in cupboard somewhere doing nothing.

[Robert526]

Have some more info on Drummer Phelpsted. He was original buried in Aix Church, some miles south of Bruyelle. So the family story about him being carried on a handcart by his mates with a head wound maybe correct. Said that he could" take no more" so they lifted him off the cart and he died. I see that there is a CWG site in Bruyelle, so if he died there, I would have thought that he would have gone into that one?

[Robert526]

Have now visited Bruylle. Sid was injured in a mortar attack on the Mare. His mates in the Stretcher Bearers Party where mostly killed outright. Sid was carried on the handcart from Belgium into France just a few miles away. He was buried in Aix Cemetery initially and, in the 1950’s was transferred to a concentration cemetery in  near Dunkirk. (60 miles away)He should have gone with his comrades in Bruylle but that was a different country. 

[Matlock1418]

Returning to Henry PANTER, 8064, Gloucestershire Regiment

Image courtesy of WFA/Fold3

"Unworthy Conduct" His widow appears to have temporarily run foul of those who cast aspersions on her character at 11.9.18 with her part of the pension being suspended for a while and the children do later appear to have had their allowances in some form of care by 20-5-19 - with their allowances being administered in trust.

M

Edited 20 February , 2022 by Matlock1418
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