BRONNO Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 According to the CWGC three brothers were killed in the Great War from this one particular family from Derby. I am trying to find out who the 3rd brother was or could this be an error by the CWGC. I know about 266365 Pte Reginald Thompson (Seaforths) and his brother 43038 Samuel George (formerly Notts and Derbys) but on the casualty details shown on Reginald's page it states "one of three brothers who fell" who was the 3rd brother, any ideas? BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 B Look in the 1911 Census for his name,every chance it should appear at 121 Friargate Derby,if not then go back to the 1901 census for his family when 10 years younger. Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Bronno. Had a look on the 1901 Census Samuel George born c1896 and Reginald Howard born c1897 sons of Samuel and Louisa Thompson, no other males in the family at this time, just a small point, I searched for two years for a "ghost" soldier, a picture in the paper stated that the lady at the unveiling of the Milnrow memorial lost four sons and I could only find three. Eventually I found a cutting in the local paper which stated that this Mrs Hopley lost three sons and her brother, then I was contacted by a relative and she produced further evidence that "only" three sons were lost. Therefore it is possible that the third "son" doesnt exist. Regards Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 I have used the search facility on Soldiers Died with birth as "Derby". This produced six names with two possibilities. Arthur James Thompson, 14/1621 Pte. Royal Warwickshire Regiment. CWGC does not give parents names. Alfred Thompson, 821 Pte. Seaforth Highlanders. Just shows as A. Thompson on CWGC with no parents names. There is the possibility that Alfred joined up with the Seaforths with his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Bronno. Had a look on the 1901 Census Samuel George born c1896 and Reginald Howard born c1897 sons of Samuel and Louisa Thompson, no other males in the family at this time, Played about with the search facility for the 1911 census and the family details for 1911 are the same as 1901, i.e. Samuel and Louisa living in Friar Gate, Derby with 2 daughters and 2 sons (Samuel George and Reginald Howard). No sign of a third son. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Bronno I would have thought that any third soldier died would also have his parental details and age shown on the CWGC site. Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 I am not so sure that sotonmate is correct in the case of "my " three brother's only two have been claimed . Why would this be the case, I have wondered this myself? I have come to the conclusion that three was just too much for the family. By Nov 1918 when the last brother was lost they had just faced too much already. In our families case they were only ever referred to the next generation in vague terms as "lost" brothers. Regards Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 It might be worth having a closer look at this one: Name: THOMPSON Initials: A Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 09/06/1915 Service No: 821 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. C. 20. Cemetery: BARD COTTAGE CEMETERY According to SDGW Alfred was born and resident in Derby. The 821 service number suggests a TF (but it could be Special Reserve given death with the 2nd Battalion). Is it too much of a coincidence that Reginald joined the Seaforths TF 3449/266365 ? The TF of a Scottish Regiment seems an odd choice for one Derby man but two? It might be worth following through if only just to eliminate it. Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Here is a full list of Thompsons' with a Derby connection: Albert Adair Thompson Ashbourne, Derby 3 Sep 1916 East Surrey Regiment Aldershot View Record PreviewName: Albert Morris Thompson Birth Place: Derby Residence: Battersea, Surrey Death Date: 26 Jun 1915 Enlistment Location: Derby Rank: Private Regiment: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Battalion: 1/5 Battalion. Number: 1473 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Albert Morris Thompson Derby 26 Jun 1915 Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Aldershot View Record PreviewName: Alfred Thompson Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire Residence: Derby, Derbyshire Death Date: 9 Jun 1915 Rank: Private Regiment: Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Battalion: 2nd Battalion. Number: 821 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Alfred Thompson Derby, Derbyshire 9 Jun 1915 Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Arthur James Thompson Birth Place: Derby Residence: Birmingham Death Date: 18 Nov 1916 Rank: Private Regiment: Royal Warwickshire Regiment Battalion: 10th Battalion. Number: 14/1621 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Arthur James Thompson Derby 18 Nov 1916 Royal Warwickshire Regiment Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Francis Thompson Birth Place: Derby Residence: Derby Death Date: 22 Apr 1917 Rank: Corporal Regiment: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Battalion: 1/6th Battalion. Number: 242437 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot Comments: Formerly 2910, Derbyshire Yeomanry. See more Francis Thompson Derby 22 Apr 1917 Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Fred Thompson Birth Place: Ashbourne, Derby Residence: Blackpool, Lancs Death Date: 4 Apr 1918 Rank: P/L/BDR. Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery Number: 72158 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theater of War: Aldershot See more Fred Thompson Ashbourne, Derby 4 Apr 1918 Royal Garrison Artillery Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Fred Carver Thompson Birth Place: Sandiacre, Derby Residence: Nottingham Death Date: 12 Sep 1916 Rank: GDSN. Regiment: Grenadier Guards Battalion: 4th Battalion. Number: 24085 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Fred Carver Thompson Sandiacre, Derby 12 Sep 1916 Grenadier Guards Aldershot View Record Preview Name: George Thompson Birth Place: St. Luke's, Derby Residence: Derby Death Date: 21 Mar 1918 Rank: Private Regiment: Royal Army Medical Corps Battalion: (Territorial Force.) Number: 417250 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more George Thompson St. Luke's, Derby 21 Mar 1918 Royal Army Medical Corps Aldershot View Record PreviewName: Joseph Thompson Birth Place: Derby Residence: Leeds Death Date: 23 May 1915 Enlistment Location: Leeds Rank: Private Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) Battalion: 2nd Battalion. Number: 12131 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Joseph Thompson Derby 23 May 1915 Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Joseph Richard Thompson Birth Place: Woodville, Derby Residence: Derby Death Date: 21 Mar 1918 Enlistment Location: Woodville Rank: Private Regiment: Machine Gun Corps Battalion: (Infantry). Number: 46572 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot Comments: Formerly 4532, Notts & Derby Regt. See more Joseph Richard Thompson Woodville, Derby 21 Mar 1918 Machine Gun Corps Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Reginald H. Thompson Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire Residence: Nottingham, Notts Death Date: 22 Aug 1917 Rank: Private Regiment: Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Battalion: 8th Battalion. Number: 266365 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot See more Reginald H. Thompson Derby, Derbyshire 22 Aug 1917 Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Aldershot View Record Preview Name: Samuel George Thompson Birth Place: St. Alkmonds, Derby Residence: Derby Death Date: 7 Jun 1917 Rank: Private Regiment: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Battalion: 11th Battalion. Number: 43038 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theater of War: Aldershot Comments: Formerly 17183, Notts And Derby Regt. See more Samuel George Thompson St. Alkmonds, Derby 7 Jun 1917 Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Aldershot View Record Preview Name: William Thompson Birth Place: Stonebroom, Derby Residence: Chesterfield, Derby Death Date: 22 Jul 1916 Enlistment Location: Alfreton, Derby Rank: A/Corporal Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borderers Battalion: 6th Battalion. Number: 17983 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theater of War: Aldershot See more William Thompson Stonebroom, Derby 22 Jul 1916 King's Own Scottish Borderers Aldershot View Record Preview Name: William Thompson Birth Place: New Mills, Derby Residence: Stockport Death Date: 4 Nov 1916 Enlistment Location: New Mills Rank: Private Regiment: Cheshire Regiment Battalion: 13th Battalion. Number: 34595 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theater of War: Aldershot See more William Thompson New Mills, Derby 4 Nov 1916 Cheshire Regiment Aldershot View Record William Alfred Thompson Mickleover, Derby 26 Apr 1918 Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery Aldershot Ignore the twaddle about Aldershot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 "one of three brothers who fell" who was the 3rd brother, any ideas? Having not found a third 'brother' in 1901 or 1911 I wonder if a brother-in-law could be the third. Mabel Ann Thompson (one of the sisters) married John Leonard Hoy in March Qtr. 1918. He was a casualty in March of that year.... Name: HOY, JOHN LEONARD Initials: J L Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) Unit Text: 2nd/7th Bn. Age: 24 Date of Death: 21/03/1918 Additional information: Husband of Mabel A. Hoy, of 121, Friar Gate, Derby. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 7. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Steve A good bit of detective work! regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 2 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Steve A good bit of detective work! regards Mel Thanks Steve and to all who have replied to this post, my heads spinning a little now whilst I digest what information has been given to me. The Officer casualty is a possibilty, perhaps a trip to Derby might be my next option to check the local papers. The family went to some trouble to have the reverse sides of Samuel's and Reginald's original Memorial Plaques engraved, never seen this done before. Regards, BRONNO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ypres1418 Posted 2 March , 2009 Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Hi guys'gals, I know it might be slightly different but i have three bro's who died in one family and only 2 are mentioned but the third was married so his wife's details are given. just a thought, Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 8 March , 2009 Share Posted 8 March , 2009 on Reginald's page it states "one of three brothers who fell" Taken as written (and acknowledging Steve's research), it does not say that all 3 bothers were in the army. The other could have been in the air services or Naval units, including the RNVR which received drafts from Kitchener's Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 9 March , 2009 Share Posted 9 March , 2009 Taken as written (and acknowledging Steve's research), it does not say that all 3 bothers were in the army. The other could have been in the air services or Naval units, including the RNVR which received drafts from Kitchener's Army. Does the memorial plaque have a narrow H ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 22 March , 2009 Share Posted 22 March , 2009 Just for information..... Derby Mercury 18 August 1916 News has been received by S Thompson , 121 Friargate, Derby , that his son , Private RH Thompson, of the Seaforths, has been wounded and was admitted to hospital at Wimereux on July 29th. He is stated to be suffering from gunshot wounds in the left leg and hand. Private Thompson has been in France about two months. He was formerly employed in the Mineral Dept.M.R. Co. [Midland Railway] Derby Mercury 5th April 1918 Mr and Mrs Hoy, of Bateman Street, Derby have been informed that their son, Second Lieutenant JL Hoy , was killed in action on 21st March. The deceased officer was previous to enlisting in Februaary 1915 employed in the offices of The Midland Hotel. He was gazetted a Second Lieutenant in the Sherwood Foresters on the 23rd August 1917. He was married as recently as February last to Miss mabel Thompson, younger daughetr of Mr and Mrs Thompson of Friargate, Derby Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 22 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 22 March , 2009 Just for information..... Derby Mercury 18 August 1916 News has been received by S Thompson , 121 Friargate, Derby , that his son , Private RH Thompson, of the Seaforths, has been wounded and was admitted to hospital at Wimereux on July 29th. He is stated to be suffering from gunshot wounds in the left leg and hand. Private Thompson has been in France about two months. He was formerly employed in the Mineral Dept.M.R. Co. [Midland Railway] Derby Mercury 5th April 1918 Mr and Mrs Hoy, of Bateman Street, Derby have been informed that their son, Second Lieutenant JL Hoy , was killed in action on 21st March. The deceased officer was previous to enlisting in Februaary 1915 employed in the offices of The Midland Hotel. He was gazetted a Second Lieutenant in the Sherwood Foresters on the 23rd August 1917. He was married as recently as February last to Miss mabel Thompson, younger daughetr of Mr and Mrs Thompson of Friargate, Derby Stuart Many thanks Stuart, I think that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place, thanks for your help. He was one of 12 Officers K.I.A. (Robin Hoods) during the German spring offensive. BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabaAndrew Posted 27 November , 2022 Share Posted 27 November , 2022 Picking-up an old thread, but perhaps still of interest... It seems that Samuel George Thompson, while serving with 11th Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers at the time of his death, had also originally served with 2nd Bn The Seaforth Highlanders. See https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175496717563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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