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Who was the 3rd Brother Casualty?


BRONNO

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According to the CWGC three brothers were killed in the Great War from this one particular family from Derby. I am trying to find out who the 3rd brother was or could this be an error by the CWGC. I know about 266365 Pte Reginald Thompson (Seaforths) and his brother 43038 Samuel George (formerly Notts and Derbys) but on the casualty details shown on Reginald's page it states "one of three brothers who fell" who was the 3rd brother, any ideas? BRONNO. <_<

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Look in the 1911 Census for his name,every chance it should appear at 121 Friargate Derby,if not then go back to the 1901 census for his family when 10 years younger.

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Bronno. Had a look on the 1901 Census Samuel George born c1896 and Reginald Howard born c1897 sons of Samuel and Louisa Thompson, no other males in the family at this time, just a small point, I searched for two years for a "ghost" soldier, a picture in the paper stated that the lady at the unveiling of the Milnrow memorial lost four sons and I could only find three. Eventually I found a cutting in the local paper which stated that this Mrs Hopley lost three sons and her brother, then I was contacted by a relative and she produced further evidence that "only" three sons were lost. Therefore it is possible that the third "son" doesnt exist. Regards Ralph.

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I have used the search facility on Soldiers Died with birth as "Derby". This produced six names with two possibilities.

Arthur James Thompson, 14/1621 Pte. Royal Warwickshire Regiment. CWGC does not give parents names.

Alfred Thompson, 821 Pte. Seaforth Highlanders. Just shows as A. Thompson on CWGC with no parents names.

There is the possibility that Alfred joined up with the Seaforths with his brother.

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Bronno. Had a look on the 1901 Census Samuel George born c1896 and Reginald Howard born c1897 sons of Samuel and Louisa Thompson, no other males in the family at this time,

Played about with the search facility for the 1911 census and the family details for 1911 are the same as 1901, i.e. Samuel and Louisa living in Friar Gate, Derby with 2 daughters and 2 sons (Samuel George and Reginald Howard). No sign of a third son.

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Steve

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Bronno

I would have thought that any third soldier died would also have his parental details and age shown on the CWGC site.

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I am not so sure that sotonmate is correct in the case of "my " three brother's only two have been claimed .

Why would this be the case, I have wondered this myself?

I have come to the conclusion that three was just too much for the family. By Nov 1918 when the last brother was lost they had just faced too much already.

In our families case they were only ever referred to the next generation in vague terms as "lost" brothers.

Regards Caroline

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It might be worth having a closer look at this one:

Name: THOMPSON

Initials: A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Date of Death: 09/06/1915

Service No: 821

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. C. 20.

Cemetery: BARD COTTAGE CEMETERY

According to SDGW Alfred was born and resident in Derby. The 821 service number suggests a TF (but it could be Special Reserve given death with the 2nd Battalion).

Is it too much of a coincidence that Reginald joined the Seaforths TF 3449/266365 ? The TF of a Scottish Regiment seems an odd choice for one Derby man but two?

It might be worth following through if only just to eliminate it.

Regards

Mel

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Here is a full list of Thompsons' with a Derby connection:

Albert Adair Thompson Ashbourne, Derby 3 Sep 1916 East Surrey Regiment Aldershot

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PreviewName: Albert Morris Thompson

Birth Place: Derby

Residence: Battersea, Surrey

Death Date: 26 Jun 1915

Enlistment Location: Derby

Rank: Private

Regiment: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment)

Battalion: 1/5 Battalion.

Number: 1473

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Albert Morris Thompson Derby 26 Jun 1915 Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Aldershot

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PreviewName: Alfred Thompson

Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire

Residence: Derby, Derbyshire

Death Date: 9 Jun 1915

Rank: Private

Regiment: Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's)

Battalion: 2nd Battalion.

Number: 821

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Alfred Thompson Derby, Derbyshire 9 Jun 1915 Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Aldershot

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Name: Arthur James Thompson

Birth Place: Derby

Residence: Birmingham

Death Date: 18 Nov 1916

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Battalion: 10th Battalion.

Number: 14/1621

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Arthur James Thompson Derby 18 Nov 1916 Royal Warwickshire Regiment Aldershot

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Name: Francis Thompson

Birth Place: Derby

Residence: Derby

Death Date: 22 Apr 1917

Rank: Corporal

Regiment: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment)

Battalion: 1/6th Battalion.

Number: 242437

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

Comments: Formerly 2910, Derbyshire Yeomanry.

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Francis Thompson Derby 22 Apr 1917 Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Aldershot

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Name: Fred Thompson

Birth Place: Ashbourne, Derby

Residence: Blackpool, Lancs

Death Date: 4 Apr 1918

Rank: P/L/BDR.

Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery

Number: 72158

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Fred Thompson Ashbourne, Derby 4 Apr 1918 Royal Garrison Artillery Aldershot

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Name: Fred Carver Thompson

Birth Place: Sandiacre, Derby

Residence: Nottingham

Death Date: 12 Sep 1916

Rank: GDSN.

Regiment: Grenadier Guards

Battalion: 4th Battalion.

Number: 24085

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Fred Carver Thompson Sandiacre, Derby 12 Sep 1916 Grenadier Guards Aldershot

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Name: George Thompson

Birth Place: St. Luke's, Derby

Residence: Derby

Death Date: 21 Mar 1918

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Army Medical Corps

Battalion: (Territorial Force.)

Number: 417250

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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George Thompson St. Luke's, Derby 21 Mar 1918 Royal Army Medical Corps Aldershot

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PreviewName: Joseph Thompson

Birth Place: Derby

Residence: Leeds

Death Date: 23 May 1915

Enlistment Location: Leeds

Rank: Private

Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment)

Battalion: 2nd Battalion.

Number: 12131

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Joseph Thompson Derby 23 May 1915 Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) Aldershot

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Name: Joseph Richard Thompson

Birth Place: Woodville, Derby

Residence: Derby

Death Date: 21 Mar 1918

Enlistment Location: Woodville

Rank: Private

Regiment: Machine Gun Corps

Battalion: (Infantry).

Number: 46572

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

Comments: Formerly 4532, Notts & Derby Regt.

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Joseph Richard Thompson Woodville, Derby 21 Mar 1918 Machine Gun Corps Aldershot

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Name: Reginald H. Thompson

Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire

Residence: Nottingham, Notts

Death Date: 22 Aug 1917

Rank: Private

Regiment: Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's)

Battalion: 8th Battalion.

Number: 266365

Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Theater of War: Aldershot

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Reginald H. Thompson Derby, Derbyshire 22 Aug 1917 Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, the Duke of Albany's) Aldershot

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Name: Samuel George Thompson

Birth Place: St. Alkmonds, Derby

Residence: Derby

Death Date: 7 Jun 1917

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

Battalion: 11th Battalion.

Number: 43038

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theater of War: Aldershot

Comments: Formerly 17183, Notts And Derby Regt.

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Samuel George Thompson St. Alkmonds, Derby 7 Jun 1917 Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Aldershot

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Name: William Thompson

Birth Place: Stonebroom, Derby

Residence: Chesterfield, Derby

Death Date: 22 Jul 1916

Enlistment Location: Alfreton, Derby

Rank: A/Corporal

Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borderers

Battalion: 6th Battalion.

Number: 17983

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theater of War: Aldershot

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William Thompson Stonebroom, Derby 22 Jul 1916 King's Own Scottish Borderers Aldershot

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Name: William Thompson

Birth Place: New Mills, Derby

Residence: Stockport

Death Date: 4 Nov 1916

Enlistment Location: New Mills

Rank: Private

Regiment: Cheshire Regiment

Battalion: 13th Battalion.

Number: 34595

Type of Casualty: Died of wounds

Theater of War: Aldershot

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William Thompson New Mills, Derby 4 Nov 1916 Cheshire Regiment Aldershot

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William Alfred Thompson Mickleover, Derby 26 Apr 1918 Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery Aldershot

Ignore the twaddle about Aldershot!

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"one of three brothers who fell" who was the 3rd brother, any ideas?

Having not found a third 'brother' in 1901 or 1911 I wonder if a brother-in-law could be the third. Mabel Ann Thompson (one of the sisters) married John Leonard Hoy in March Qtr. 1918.

He was a casualty in March of that year....

Name: HOY, JOHN LEONARD

Initials: J L

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Second Lieutenant

Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)

Unit Text: 2nd/7th Bn.

Age: 24

Date of Death: 21/03/1918

Additional information: Husband of Mabel A. Hoy, of 121, Friar Gate, Derby.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 7.

Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

Regards

Steve

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A good bit of detective work!

regards

Mel

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Steve

A good bit of detective work!

regards

Mel

Thanks Steve and to all who have replied to this post, my heads spinning a little now whilst I digest what information has been given to me. The Officer casualty is a possibilty, perhaps a trip to Derby might be my next option to check the local papers. The family went to some trouble to have the reverse sides of Samuel's and Reginald's original Memorial Plaques engraved, never seen this done before. Regards, BRONNO

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Hi guys'gals,

I know it might be slightly different but i have three bro's who died in one family and only 2 are mentioned but the third was married so his wife's details are given.

just a thought,

Mandy

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on Reginald's page it states "one of three brothers who fell"

Taken as written (and acknowledging Steve's research), it does not say that all 3 bothers were in the army. The other could have been in the air services or Naval units, including the RNVR which received drafts from Kitchener's Army.

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Taken as written (and acknowledging Steve's research), it does not say that all 3 bothers were in the army. The other could have been in the air services or Naval units, including the RNVR which received drafts from Kitchener's Army.

Does the memorial plaque have a narrow H ?

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Just for information.....

Derby Mercury 18 August 1916

News has been received by S Thompson , 121 Friargate, Derby , that his son , Private RH Thompson, of the Seaforths, has been wounded and was admitted to hospital at Wimereux on July 29th. He is stated to be suffering from gunshot wounds in the left leg and hand. Private Thompson has been in France about two months. He was formerly employed in the Mineral Dept.M.R. Co. [Midland Railway]

Derby Mercury 5th April 1918

Mr and Mrs Hoy, of Bateman Street, Derby have been informed that their son, Second Lieutenant JL Hoy , was killed in action on 21st March. The deceased officer was previous to enlisting in Februaary 1915 employed in the offices of The Midland Hotel. He was gazetted a Second Lieutenant in the Sherwood Foresters on the 23rd August 1917. He was married as recently as February last to Miss mabel Thompson, younger daughetr of Mr and Mrs Thompson of Friargate, Derby

Stuart

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Just for information.....

Derby Mercury 18 August 1916

News has been received by S Thompson , 121 Friargate, Derby , that his son , Private RH Thompson, of the Seaforths, has been wounded and was admitted to hospital at Wimereux on July 29th. He is stated to be suffering from gunshot wounds in the left leg and hand. Private Thompson has been in France about two months. He was formerly employed in the Mineral Dept.M.R. Co. [Midland Railway]

Derby Mercury 5th April 1918

Mr and Mrs Hoy, of Bateman Street, Derby have been informed that their son, Second Lieutenant JL Hoy , was killed in action on 21st March. The deceased officer was previous to enlisting in Februaary 1915 employed in the offices of The Midland Hotel. He was gazetted a Second Lieutenant in the Sherwood Foresters on the 23rd August 1917. He was married as recently as February last to Miss mabel Thompson, younger daughetr of Mr and Mrs Thompson of Friargate, Derby

Stuart

Many thanks Stuart, I think that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place, thanks for your help. He was one of 12 Officers K.I.A. (Robin Hoods) during the German spring offensive. BRONNO.

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