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tony paley
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My Grandfather was a regular soldier WO1 in 84 Heavy Artillery Group/Brigade R.G.A. from its formation in January 1917 until the occupation of the Rhine in 1920. I have the units' Diary for that period, also the diaries of some Batteries attached 1917/18. I have been trying to complete a list of Officers and men KIA from 1917 until the armistice, that includes attached Batteries. So far I have 31 names. My method has been to visit cemetries located close to positions where the units were deployed and searching registers. Clearly this is both time consuming and a little 'Hit or Miss.' Does anyone have any ideas. I will be visiting Kew prior to my next trip to Flanders so any helpis welcome.

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You could just search Geoff's sarch engine whenever it comes back on line as it allows you search the CWGC database by unit text i.e. "60th Siege battery" or "60th" or whatever.

The link was: http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search14-21.php

The alternative is going on to ancestry's website and searching the War dead databases which would surely be cheaper than visiting the sites although not as interesting. Maybe if you gave the names of the batteries it might help.

Mark

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You could just search Geoff's sarch engine whenever it comes back on line as it allows you search the CWGC database by unit text i.e. "60th Siege battery" or "60th" or whatever.

The link was: http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search14-21.php

The alternative is going on to ancestry's website and searching the War dead databases which would surely be cheaper than visiting the sites although not as interesting. Maybe if you gave the names of the batteries it might help.

Mark

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You could just search Geoff's sarch engine whenever it comes back on line as it allows you search the CWGC database by unit text i.e. "60th Siege battery" or "60th" or whatever.

The link was: http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search14-21.php

The alternative is going on to ancestry's website and searching the War dead databases which would surely be cheaper than visiting the sites although not as interesting. Maybe if you gave the names of the batteries it might help.

Mark

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Kildaremark,

Thanks for that, had a few problems with the reply, sorry for the confusion. You are correct, I will continue the visits, they are interesting. Incidentally my Grandfather, Arthur Paley, joined up in 1894 in Dublin, three brothers in the Army all born in Brownstown Co.Kildare. May seem familiar to you?!

Tony.

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At least three Paleys recorded as born in County Kildare:-

Church Baptism Paley Thomas Joseph 1878 Co. Kildare

Church Baptism Paley Elizabeth Mary 1879 Co. Kildare

Church Baptism Paley Margaret Mary 1881 Co. Kildare

Brownstown is of course on the edge of the Curragh looking over the training camp and not to far from me.

There is a pension record for 4519 Arthur Paley on Ancestry.com, born Curragh 1894.

The family are also recorded on the 1911 census for Dublin at Charlemont Mall - mother Ellen, widow, born Kildare. It's available for free on line at the following link if you haven't seen it:- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/page...ont_Mall/79159/

Mark

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Crikey Mark,

Where did you get all that info? Lizzie, Maggie were my Grt Aunts. Thomas was KIA at Pieters Hill S.Africa with 2nd

R.Dublin fus. his name is on Fusilier Arch, Stephens Green inside on the right as you walk in. Arthur 4519 was my Grandfather. He enlisted in 1894 and toured the Empire on Coastal Artillery. In 1913 he was posted to Fort Carlisle.Cobh,Co.Cork. In 1916 to 331 Siege Battery as B.S.M. in January he was promoted to R.S.M of the newly formed 84 HAG. Incidentally the family lived at Lark Lodge my Gt Grandmother Ellen was born Disney Gt Gt. Grandad was William Disney who owned and Bred Racehorses. One a well known Stallion called Birdcatcher. Mustn' stray too much from WW1. I am very new to this site but can't believe the info you have povided so quickly. The Disneys are buried at Ballysax. Tony

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Tony: If you can tell me which batteries were attached to the 84th Heavy Artillery Group during that period I will search my database of Royal Artillery officers. Regards, Dick Flory

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Dick

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26, 34, 39, 77, 79, 80, 83, 137, 150, 179, 184, 190, 208, 219, 224, 238, 241, 276, 284, 288, 297, 321, 336 & 359 Siege batteries

24 & 152 Heavy batteries, there are more Heavies, details to follow, off to pub.

Stuart

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Hello Dick,

If you can provide details of Officers KIA whilst with 84 HAG that would be a great help. it is quite a long list but here goes: I have put them in numerical order, I have the dates that the units were in the group so I can sort that out. 1/1 Lancs HB: 13 SB: 17SB: 39SB: 80SB: 83SB: 117SB: 136 SB: 137SB: 138 HB: 141 SB: 145 HB: 147 SB: 150SB: 154 HB: 179 SB: 184 SB: 208 SB: 219 SB:224 SB: 229 SB:276 SB:234 SB: 284 SB: 297 SB: 336 SB:321 SB: 359 SB: 374 SB : 393 SB: These Batteries were in the Group during 1917. In late December 1917 the following Batteries became permanent attachments when 84 became a Heavy Artillery Brigade. 24 HB: 152 HB: 34 SB: 77SB: 276 SB: 336 SB:

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Unfortunately here are a few man who never made it home. I cannot say whether their battery was in the brigade at their time of death, but may be worth following up. All their records are available.

71965 Goodwin, Joseph 24 HB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=18747

138556 was 445 Dorset RGA Norman, Charles Talbot MM 138 HB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=67073

98255 Bebbington, Thomas 184 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=178095

49372 Barratt, Frederick 190 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=155952

132501 was 771 Hants RGA Brown, Frederick MM 276 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=614272

98178 Breen, James 284 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=137913

130528 Barter, George Cecil 359 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=104429

Kevin

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Unfortunately here are a few man who never made it home. I cannot say whether their battery was in the brigade at their time of death, but may be worth following up. All their records are available.

71965 Goodwin, Joseph 24 HB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=18747

138556 was 445 Dorset RGA Norman, Charles Talbot MM 138 HB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=67073

98255 Bebbington, Thomas 184 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=178095

49372 Barratt, Frederick 190 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=155952

132501 was 771 Hants RGA Brown, Frederick MM 276 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=614272

98178 Breen, James 284 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=137913

130528 Barter, George Cecil 359 SB

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=104429

Kevin

Kevin, Thank you very much. Four more to visit.Joseph, Thomas,James and George were in 84 HAG R.G.A.

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