Paul Reed Posted 31 January , 2009 Share Posted 31 January , 2009 Through the magic of the 1911 census, I managed to track down a lot of information on my paternal grandmother's family which has always proved somewhat elusive. To cut a long story short, it has resulted in finding a great uncle who died in the war that I had no idea about. Just posting this here hoping in case there is any additional info, or if anyone has his medals/memorial plaque etc. Maybe it will be picked up in a Google search one day? I have all the usual material: MIC, SDGW etc. His details are: Name: ROZEE Initials: F (Frank) Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Hampshire Regiment Unit Text: 1st Bn. Date of Death: 24/10/1918 Service No: 29910 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: On South side. Cemetery: MONCHAUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY Cemetery: MONCHAUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY Country: France Locality: unspecified Location Information: Monchaux sur Ecaillon is a commune in the department of the Nord, 12 kilometres south west of Valenciennes. The Communal Cemetery is situated behind the church, and the Commonwealth war graves plot is sited near the right hand side of the path, near the centre. No. of Identified Casualties: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Well done Paul, these unknown relations keep popping up here and there. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pounds14 Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 According to the Hampshire Regt's Depot Numbers book, 29910 was one of 5000 allocated to the 3rd Echelon France circa July 1916. The Echelon gave reinforcements one of these numbers. So I would only guess that your great uncle served with another Regiment before being sent to the Hampshires as a reinforcement. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Thanks Andy and Roger - Roger, yes he served with the 10th Londons (Hackney) before that it seems. That info is most welcome, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Thompson Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Paul, The BWM & VM roll for Pte Frank Rozee confirm overseas service with the following units: 780594 10/Londons 205600 4/Royal Fusiliers 29910 11/Hants (Pioneers) 29910 1/Hants An analysis of surviving service papers close to Pte Rozee's Hants regtl no. provide the following detail: 29923 Pte Herbert Leslie SCOTT (Omnibus Cleaner from Manor Park, Essex) 04/11/16 Enlisted Stratford E.London 05/11/16 Posted London Regt 05/11/16 100th Prov.Bn (attached?) 01/01/17 Tran. 29th London Regt 23/12/17 Base Depot and posted 4th Royal Fusiliers 27/12/17 Tran. and posted 11th Hants 29931 Pte Henry WINCH (Clerk from E.Dulwich) 11/12/15 Attested 09/06/16 Mobilised 1st overseas service: 10/12/16 Embarked Southampton 11/12/16 Disembarked Havre to 7th Infy Base Depot 16/12/16 Joined 1/13th London Regt (field) 04/01/17 Wounded in action 14/01/17 To England 2nd overseas service: 17/08/17 Tran. 29th London Regt 21/12/17 Embarked for France 23/12/17 Etaples and posted 4th Royal Fusiliers 27/12/17 Tran. and posted 11th Hants 29945 Pte Alfred Edward ASHBY (Pawnbrokers Salesman from Greenwich) 17/02/16 Attested 18/02/16 To Army Reserve 08/11/16 Posted 4th T.R. Bn (Wimbledon Depot) joined from AR Class B 07/12/16 Tran. 100th Prov.Bn (Guildford) 01/01/17 Tran. 29th London Regt 23/12/17 Base Depot and posted 4th Royal Fusiliers 27/12/17 Transferred and posted 11th Hants Not an exact science, but based on the above it appears likely that Pte Rozee was posted to 4th Royal Fusiliers at Etaples 23/12/17 and four days later on 27/12/17 transferred and posted to 11/Hants. At some point after this he was transferred to 1/Hants. As Roger has indicated his Hants Regt number is one of the 5000 allocated to the 3rd Echelon France circa July 1916. Let me know if you would like a copy of the Regtl History and 1/Hants War Diary covering the attack at Monchaux on 24th Oct. 1918. I'll let you know if I uncover anything further on him from a Hampshire Regt perspective. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Wow! Thanks for all that Marc. That's fantastic! I do have the regimental history, but not the War Diary. Do you have a record of all surviving papers? I am presuming his hasn't survived then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Thompson Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Do you have a record of all surviving papers? I am presuming his hasn't survived then? Hi Paul, Based on several hundred searches for Hampshire Regiment men I've never found a surviving service record in WO363/4 for a Hampshire Regiment fatality (killed in action, died of wounds or disease etc). I have better luck where they ended up in other units or died of illness/wounds post discharge. A check of WO363/4 and the PIN sources at Kew for Pte Rozee is certainly worth undertaking but be prepared for a disappointment. I have checked Ancestry already but with no success. For non-fatalities I do have a good cross-section of surviving service papers but I'm a long way short of having them all. It all helps to inform the regimental database under construction. If you can drop me a PM with your e-mail address I'll send you through the relevant 1/Hants War Diary pages as attachments. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Thanks Marc - I must say I have found a similar thing with Royal Sussex men, although occasionally they are there. PM on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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