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Dear Forum, You were all very helpful, especially Desmond, on identifying a badge and uniform before, but would like you to look at a new photo of the same soldier, but this time his stripes are visible.

Thank you all in anticipation, and thank you Desmond, I have at last learned how to put a photo on the Forum! :rolleyes:

MotherMave

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Nice pictures, especially because the middle one shows him wearing a wristwatch and ID bracelet (privately purchased) on his wrists. The Stripe on his left arm is a good conduct badge (for two years good service), and the vertical one is a wound stripe - granted for each wound received. I would say that his rank was that of 'Sapper', the ordinary rank of the average soldier in the Royal Engineers

Peter

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not 'for each wound received' but for 'each occasion wounded', including gassing, enemy narbed wire etc.

A Captain of 2nd RWF received 18 MG bullet wounds on one occasion and survived. He received one badge, not 18 !!!!!!!

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Thanks to Peter Doyle, Skipman and Grumpy for their swift replies, you will make my friend very happy as she will know a little bit more about her Father. This Forum is wonderful. MotherMave

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Mave

If this is your man

Medal card of Bettany, Morty

Corps Regiment No Rank

Royal Engineers T 2039 Sapper

Royal Engineers 486594 Sapper

then he would have served with the 1st North Midlands Field Company.

They were allocated the block 486001 - 488000 in the early 1917 renumbering of the TF and became the 465th Field Company in February 1917.

His unit served with the 28th Division from December 1914 to April 1915 and then the 46th Division from May 1915 for the rest of the war.

Check out the Divisions on the LLT here:

http://www.1914-1918.net/28div.htm

and here

http://www.1914-1918.net/46div.htm

Regards

Mel

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not 'for each wound received' but for 'each occasion wounded', including gassing, enemy narbed wire etc.

A Captain of 2nd RWF received 18 MG bullet wounds on one occasion and survived. He received one badge, not 18 !!!!!!!

You have to be careful on this forum - one slip of the finger, and...

You are quite right, of course

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Mave

The MIC confirms entitlement to the BWM and Victory so he would have arrived in France at some point in 1916 or possibly very early in 1917.

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Mel

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Mave

This from the reubique website:

465th (North Midland) Field Company

Royal Engineers

Major Headquarters

Location

Dates

Home

46th Division

Mobilized at Derby

Aug 1914

46th Division

Luton, Bedfordshire and Bishop’s Stortford, Herts

Sep 1914 – Jan 1915

46th Division

Embarked for France

Feb 1915

France and Flanders

46th Division

In reserve at Neuve Chapelle

12-13 Mar 1915

46th Division

Ploegsteert, Kemmel, Neuve Eglise and Hill 60

Apr – Sep 1915

46th Division

Bethune

13 Oct 1915

46th Division

The Quarries and Fosse 8

Nov 1915 – Jan 1916

46th Division

Vimy Ridge

Feb 1916

46th Division

Gommecourt

1 Jul 1916

46th Division

Rettemoy Graben

13 Mar 1917

46th Division

Lens, Cite St. Edward, Cite St. Theodore, Cite Jeanne d’Arc, Cite de Riaumont, Bois de Lievin, Bois de Riaumont, and Hill 65

Mar – Jun 1917

46th Division

Hill 70

15-25 Aug 1917

46th Division

St. Quentin Canal

29 Sep – 2 Oct 1918

46th Division

Bellenglise

29 Sep 1918

46th Division

Beaurevoir

3-5 Oct 1918

46th Division

Ramicourt

3 Oct 1918

46th Division

Cambrai

8-9 Oct 1918

46th Division

Bois de Riquerval and Andigny les Fermes

10-17 Oct 1918

46th Division

Selle

17-25 Oct 1918

46th Division

Bohain

31 Oct 1918

46th Division

Catillon

3 Nov 1918

46th Division

Sambre

4 Nov 1918

46th Division

Bois de L’Abbaye

5 Nov 1918

46th Division

Prisches – Cartignies Road

7 Nov 1918

46th Division

Petite Helpe River

9 Nov 1918

REFERENCES:

Battle Honours of the Royal Engineers. The Royal Engineers Journal. The Institution of Royal Engineers, Chatham, Kent, 1925-1932.

PRIESTLEY, R.E. Breaking the Hindenburg Line: The Story of the 46th (North Midland) Division. T. Fisher Unwin, Ltd., London, 1919.

http://www.reubique.com/battle.htm

Regards

Mel

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Oh my God!!!! What wonderful news, thanks to everyone, but special thanks to Mel, for all the info. regarding Monty's company and where in the theatre of war his Regiment was and when.

I am always telling people what a great forum this is and once more you have proved me right. Thanks so much. Mave

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Mave

If your friend would like to push the research a little further then the 465th Field Company War Diary is available at the NA:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalog...p;CATID=5637010

It is possible to order copying on line or it may be cheaper to commission a researcher to take digital copies with a camera.

Regards

Mel

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You have to be careful on this forum - one slip of the finger, and...

You are quite right, of course

Just the Pedants' Police on duty, watching, waiting ......

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I must admit, I've never seen pedantry as a virtue, but there you are. As I said, you were correct...

Peter

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I must admit, I've never seen pedantry as a virtue, but there you are. As I said, you were correct...

Peter

No, not a virtue, more an affliction for the owner and the receiver.

However, as a fairly early member of the Forum, I have always thought that it was pre-eminent as a Great War source, so that, in the few areas where I claim a depth of knowledge, I try to flag up perceived incorrect or misleading statements.

Not a recipe for popularity.

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