melliget Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 With his whole family gone, I wonder if he was adopted after he had recovered from his injuries and his adopted family lived somewhere near Kenmore. Just a guess. Although his natural parents' names are given on CWGC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 The parents being named as Timothy and Hannah is another example of how inaccurate newspapers can be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 I had a look at the 1901 census yesterday and could only find the Pinkney family already quoted above as being the only possible family. The wife/mother, Sarah, comes from Hampsthwaite - which is the next village to us and where my daughter goes to school. There is a wedding for John Pinkney and Sarah Cooper in 1879 in Knaresborough district (so right area). Considering this I'm surprised I haven't found anything on it - I shall search VERY carefully when I go on Wednesday!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 As his natural parents names are on the CWGC site maybe he wasn't adopted but taken in by close relatives - living in the Kenmore area. Do you happen to know his mother's maiden name - in case her parents took him in? Also any married female relative such as an aunt would, of course, have a different surname from him. Edit: Oh Kim, you've just answered my question. So maybe he lived with a Cooper family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Actually, just noticed that the article from the Scotsman you posted, Mike, says he was R.N.V.R. That service record for Charles Arthur Pinkney was R.N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Morton Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 This marriage looks as if it could be the one ! Marriages, Easingwold, Sep Quarter 1894. John Pinkney Sarah Barker Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Good find Gerry - that would ties in (the dates) better for the children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 For reference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Well, you folks have been busy on my behalf. Thanks very much, really appreciated. Will have good look through all posts and see what's what. Never seen one of these before, but here's N/A form. Mike Edit I think without the 1911 cencus it will be difficult to tie him to Kenmore, I think it very likely that he did live in orphanage. Will try find school records, or some local newspaper items. Again many thanks for your sleuthing, Top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Oh, sadly the Wounds, Scars or Marks section is blank. I would like to have seen some evidence to show that he survived an attack as a baby. A negative result, of course, means nothing here. Maybe he wasn't given a full physical examination for this form. Maybe any scars have faded to insignificance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Mike I notice that he was only with the navy for 2 months before he died. Does it say that his occupation was Baker, Bolter or something else? Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 February , 2009 Share Posted 8 February , 2009 Well spotted Myrtle, Baker it is I think. That's another bit of info. Why would a Baker be a Stoker?, does that make sense, or was he a Baker before joining Navy? The plot thickens. Cheers Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 9 February , 2009 Share Posted 9 February , 2009 Mike. The occupation given on RN service records is before joining. My grandfather's occupation says Footman. regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 9 February , 2009 Share Posted 9 February , 2009 Mike So it appears that Charles Arthur Pinkney was a baker before he joined up. You may be able to narrow down possible employers in the Local Trade directories of the time which may give you some clues when looking for information in the local Kenmore newspapers. Seems to me that there would have been many similarities in working conditions for bakers and stokers at that time. Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 9 February , 2009 Share Posted 9 February , 2009 I take it that means acting leading seaman ? Yes it does. There is only one A Pinkney listed online for the RND: Name Pinkney, Aaron Service Number(s): Z/2400 Rank or Rating: Able Seaman, Acting Leading Seaman, Revert Able Seaman Date of Birth: 31 May 1895 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 9 February , 2009 Share Posted 9 February , 2009 I have come across Aaron, and have seen him discounted on another site. They could well be wrong with Arthur, who knows? The hunt continues, thanks very much for your continued input. Much appreciated Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 9 February , 2009 Share Posted 9 February , 2009 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=102068 There is this man too Edit, this'll be Aaron then DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 11 February , 2009 Share Posted 11 February , 2009 Yes, the clue is Service No: T[yneside]Z/2400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 11 February , 2009 Share Posted 11 February , 2009 Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 15 February , 2009 Share Posted 15 February , 2009 I finally got to look at the final newspaper yesterday and no luck I'm afraid!! I have to say I'm amazed it's not in there as it would be quite a big 'thing' at the time - especially with the wife being from one of our villages. The newspapers covered quite an area and I certainly saw things which happened in Middlesbrough being quoted which is a LOT further away than York!! Anyhow ............ I suggest you contact York library which holds the newspaper for (surprisingly) York and district. The upside of this is they will research for up to half an hour free of charge!! Quote: If you are researching your own family or local history you can make your visit to us more worthwhile by contacting us first. Written requests for information (letters, faxes or emails) will be acknowledged within 10 working days. We will undertake research on your behalf for up to half an hour free of charge. You will be consulted before any research which would attract a fee is undertaken. End quote. Link: 'HERE' Their contact details are on the top right of the page. Come back and let us know if you get anything - I'm interested in this now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 February , 2009 Share Posted 15 February , 2009 Thanks very much for all your help. I am off tomorrow and will get in touch . I will keep you posted on any new information. It's a mystery. Cheers Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 15 February , 2009 Share Posted 15 February , 2009 According to this Times article 14th November 1905, the surviving Pinkney child had a thumb severed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 16 February , 2009 Share Posted 16 February , 2009 I know that the service records above is brief, but I'm surprised if no one noticed if a recruit had a thumb missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 February , 2009 Share Posted 16 February , 2009 I know that the service records above is brief, but I'm surprised if no one noticed if a recruit had a thumb missing. Right enough, I imagine they would have picked up on that. Maybe that isn't our man then. As far as the orphanage angle goes; is it possible the authorities might have changed his name, to shelter him from the public, and from his own early trauma. Then when old enough, he was told the truth, and reverted back to his original name. I mean could he be listed in the cencus under a false name? Bit far fetched? Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 February , 2009 Share Posted 16 February , 2009 Have just emailed York Library, will post any news. Cheers Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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