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Mark Lyons

Depot Ships, WW1 HMS Tyne

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Mark Lyons

Hi everyone. I am researching my grandfather, Albert Lyons, who was a stoker on depot ship HMS Tyne from the sinking of his previous ship HMS Itchen in July 1917 until his demob in 1919. My knowledge of depot ships is sparce so anything you can add would be very interesting - were they mobile or did the ships they were supplying come to them? Did they supply all the ships needs including ammunition? Would my grandfather have been stoking or might he have had other duties? His wife moved up to Scotland during that time so presumabely he was able to spend quite a bit of time with her. He also managed to play football for Leith Athletic during that period so it doesn't seem he was restricted to the ship that much. Any help very much appreciated.

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Terence Munson

Hello Mark - Welcome to the forum.

If you put Depot Ships in the forum's search engine using the "more options", then ships and navies, you will find a great deal of info. from previous threads.

You might also be interested to know that the Grimsby trawler Gardenia took off most of the survivors after Itchen was torpedoed.

Cheers, Terry

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ARABIS

Gunnery & torpedo ratings, H.M.S. ITCHEN.

David.

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jamesbow

hi all,

hopefully a picture of hms tyne,my father was on her in 1908 after his stint in the cells.

best regards jamesbow

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ellasian

Looks like he was on HMS Tyne with my other Great Grandfather George Andrew Tough.

" Tyne 1may 1919-24dec 1919"

Marcus

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Mark Lyons

Gentlemen

I am very grateful for your contributions. Great photographs, particularly the gunnery ratings on Itchen - a real cracker. I am very much obliged to you all. Many thanks.

Mark

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GrantRCanada

Coming onto this rather late (actually, I was searching for images of HMS Tyne to help out a member of the Victorian Wars Forum, who wanted a picture because that HMS Tyne had been used as a Troopship in 1882 during British intervention to suppress the mutiny of the Egyptian Army.)

Anyway, my searches turned up this image of HMS Tyne from Jane's Fighting Ships for 1919 -post-41251-1236922787.jpg

(Reference link - http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Janes_1919/Mi...epot_Ships.html)

Even though she is stripped to the basics for WWI service in the Jane's photograph, I'd say that there seems little doubt that the ship in the image provided by jamesbow is, indeed, the fourth HMS Tyne (1878-1920).

Clearly jamesbow's image shows the ship in an earlier, peacetime configuration - undoubtedly much closer to her appearance as it would have been in 1882 ....

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jamesbow

grant r,

i do have three other photos of tyne if you want them let me know,regards jamesbow

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GrantRCanada
grant r,

i do have three other photos of tyne if you want them let me know,regards jamesbow

James: I'd love to see them. if you don't mind (along with any info you have regarding date and location) and I could then pass them along.

Post them here, or attach to a PM .... whichever you wish.

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jamesbow

grant here you go,

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GrantRCanada

Many thanks, James! I'll pass them along and I'm sure they will be appreciated. :D

Do you have any information about the time-frame of any of the photos?

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jamesbow

sorry no dates, the last photo if blown up will reveal lots of activity aboard her.best regards james

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We won't forget

According to my great grandfathers service record he was a petty officer on hms tyne from 25th Sept 1917 to 24th June 1918, so he was probably on the ship with yr relative Mark.

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horatio2
13 minutes ago, We won't forget said:

According to my great grandfathers service record he was a petty officer on hms tyne from 25th Sept 1917 to 24th June 1918, so he was probably on the ship with yr relative Mark.

Mark Lyons, the original poster, has not visited the Forum since August 2009.

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AFairchild

Hi Horatio

My distant relation Thomas Charles Tristain RNVR No MC 1481 served on Tyne from 1/6/19 until 18/9/19 as a Leading Stoker.  Apparently the service No prefix MC relates to mine clearance.  Thomas served in the merchant marine as a Leading Fireman or greaser throughout WW1 & was on HM Transport/ Hospital ship at Gallipoli.  Was Tyne part of the post war mine clearance programme using RNVR seamen?  The record shows  "RUN" so he obviously did not like the ship o, location or the work.

Fairchild

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horatio2
Posted (edited)

HMS TYNE was a depot ship based at Leith at the time in question. Your relation was actually serving in the paddle minesweeper HMS TOTNES (borne on the books of TYNE) which was employed on the post-war mine-clearance task.

Thomas also served in the RN from 1908 to 1909 (18 months) as a Special Service (SS) stoker, Official No. SS.106720. As SS he was engaged to serve five years in the Fleet, followed by seven years in the Royal Fleet Reserve. However, starting a tradition for his naval service, he twice deserted (RUN) first from HMS JUPITER and then  from the cruiser HMS PHILOMEL. It seems he "did not like" naval service - full stop. Not many men can claim to have deserted three times. His RN record is here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7072517

I note that his RNVR record is marked "F.E." for previous service = First Entry. This shows he did not declare his previous service and desertions - most likely he would have been refused re-entry.

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AFairchild

Certainly his RN service was not distinguished but he did serve throughout WWI as a greaser & leading fireman in the merchant marine at maximum risk if hit by enemy action.  Down below was not the best place to be if torpedoed.  He was a restless personality who spent a life at sea including both wars.  His son joined the Scots Guards and served in the Long Range Desert Group & retired after 26 years in the Guards.  A genetic disposition to bold action  perhaps.  He was also a POW escapee.  

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