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stephen moore

Thank you so much , that is very helpful. Indeed his name was formally John  he but was always referred to as Jack. It’s amazing to see this record , thank you.

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clk

Hi Stephen,

 

Whilst his service file no longer seems to exist, presuming we've got the right man...

 

The '18/' prefix to his service number implies that he was originally with the 18th (Reserve) Battalion - see here. The number would appear to date from mid/late November 1915

 

18/1100 Baillie - attested 22.11.1915

18/1103 Johnston - attested 23.11.1915

18/1105 Brown - attested 23.11.1915

18/1107 Whan - attested 25.11.1915

18/1108

18/1112 Ross - attested 22.11.1915

18/1114 Geddis - attested 24.11.1915

18/1116 Sloan - attested 22.11.1915

18/1118 Harper - attested 25.11.1915

 

The medal roll record indicates that he served overseas in France/Flanders with the 10th Battalion. It seems likely that he was then medically downgraded (possibly due to sickness or wounds) and later served 'at home' with the Royal Defence Corps as number 87168. 

 

87163 Edge - transferred to RDC 14.9.1918

87167 Gilmor  - transferred to RDC 15.9.1918

87168

87178 Lancaster  - transferred to RDC 24.9.1918

 

The war diary for the 10th Battalion is here at the National Archives, and here on Ancestry.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

 

 

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stephen moore

Thank you so much. You have given me invaluable information and I can continue my research. I appreciate your generous assistance.  And of course your research and interest. 

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clk

No problem at all Stephen. I did wonder where you got his wounding dates from though.

 

Regards

Chris

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stephen moore

Good evening Chris . I discovered this information from the records held by Forces War Records. I subscribed to there site.  They were able to provide good basic  information re his service eg his service number but significant gaps continue such as date of enlistment , his service record including locations , injuries, discharge etc. All very intriguing. I am very grateful for the additional information others are able to share. 

‘All the very best. 

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clk

Hi Stephen.

 

Unfortunately, your original post seems to have disappeared. I suspect though that the wounded dates that you have were the dates of the casualty list, rather than the actual date of the wounds themselves. It commonly took several weeks between the incident and the publication. That might explain why the second date (I don't recall precisely when it was) was after his leaving theatre date shown on his medal roll record. If you find the casualty list itself rather than just the FWR transcript, it will probably have other men from his regiment also listed. With a bit of luck some of them may have surviving papers which you could go through to see if there is a commonality of wound dates, from which an inference may be made for Jack. Hopefully you'd then be able to cross check with the battalion war diary to see if it gives you anything about the possible circumstances surrounding his wounding.

 

Regards

Chris

 

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stephen moore

Many thanks Chris , good advice. I had presumed that the date referred to the date of the injury. The 2 dates I have are 18th December 1917 and 23rd February 1918. There is reference to War Office Daily List ( 5445 for 1st injury and 5500 for the second)   , do you know what this is ?

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Hi,

 

12 hours ago, stephen moore said:

There is reference to War Office Daily List ( 5445 for 1st injury and 5500 for the second)   , do you know what this is ?

 

Here's part of the first one...

 

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The FMP link is here.

 

9726 Byrne does have some papers, He appears to have received a head wound, but the date is unclear. He was back home on 2.12.1917, so presumably he was wounded at some time prior to that. He may well have received treatment in France though before returning to the UK, which would push his date of wounding back. Unfortunately, the others shown don't appear to have surviving files which might have helped. I think that I'd be tempted to look at the casualty lists that bracket the one for 18.12.1917, and repeat the exercise. For example the daily list for 20.12.1917 show these men as wounded:

 

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All images sourced from Findmypast

 

Findmypast doesn't appear to have the lists for February 1918. I believe that other sites such as The Genealogist may have a full run.

 

Regards

Chris

 

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stephen moore

I have just returned from a visit to the battlefields of WW1. I found it a very moving experience. The numbers , the destruction and the carnage are breathtaking. The character of all those who fought is amazing . It will take me a while to fully process my visit. Thank you for providing such rich information, it has really made a significant difference to my understanding and appreciation of the individual stories and history . I would want to pay tribute to the staff who maintain the cemetery’s, they are maintained to such an incredible standard. I had the privilege to leave a number of remembrance cross’s including on the gravestone of a relative at Ration Farm annexe and at the memorial panel of another relative in Pozières. The information on this website has been invaluable. Thank you for your commitment and for sharing your knowledge.

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