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Palestine - Does anyone have a decent map?


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I'm trying to follow my grandfather's route through Palestine with the 378th SB from the Battery Diary and the Winterbourne letters and there are a number of locations I can't pinpoint with the maps I've got - can anyone help?

I'd particularly like to find:-

KARM - somewhere south of the Gaza - Beersheba line

RAS-EL-TAWIL - I think, somewhere around 10+ miles north of Jerusalem.

Any help gratefully received

Jef

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. . . through Palestine . . .

Jef

michaeldr and wroclaw very kindly provided this link to the Palestine Exploration Fund maps at

http://www.jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/maps/pal/htm...al002368494.htm

that were done in 1880 but which were good enough to use as the base for the EEF maps in the campaign.

Here is a map showing the movements of the SA Field Artillery

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/295398...818460e12_b.jpg

and the same map overlaid with the PEF grid from the 1880 maps.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/295484...10ced475b_b.jpg

The flikr images are compressed but I can send higher resolution scans if you want.

Carl

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Very useful.

that were done in 1880 Maps were often reused for years: the first series of Ordnance Survery maps stated in the early 1800s for Kent and Essex, by the time the survey of the country was complete in the 1830s those original maps were out of date, but it was still decades before they surveyed again!

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And as Wroclaw pointed out

One of the two surveyors went on to become quite famous in 1914-16

quote: surveys conducted for the Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund, Lieutenants C.R. Conder and H.H. Kitchener R.E. during the years 1872-1877.

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Bill / Carl

Many thanks for the maps and photos guys - very useful indeed, and it's very helpful to see the topography.

Now I know where KARM was, and that it was a temporary camp & supply depot.

RAS-EL-TAWIL still shrouded in obscurity because I think Ras means "Hill" or "Peak" and individual hills don't seem to be named - so the search continues, but it will come to light eventually.

Best regards

Jef

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. . . . RAS-EL-TAWIL - I think, somewhere around 10+ miles north of Jerusalem.

Jef

This satellite view

http://www.satelliteviews.net/cgi-bin/w.cg...865&DG=RUIN

shows Ras-El-Tawil at 32deg 3min latitude and 35deg 19min longitude and likewise about 10 miles due south of Nablus. It is not on any of the maps that I have listed BUT appears to be on or near the front line as it was in mid September 1918 before the battle of Megiddo as detailed on this map from the United States Military Academy.

http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web03/atl...%20map%2050.htm

Carl

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Jef

This satellite view shows Ras-El-Tawil at 32deg 3min latitude and 35deg 19min longitude and likewise about 10 miles due south of Nablus. It is not on any of the maps that I have listed BUT appears to be on or near the front line as it was in mid September 1918

Carl

Thanks a lot for your links to Ras-el-Tawil - exactly what I was looking for.

I'd scoured Google Maps more than once without finding it. Then I realised from your post that I'd searched with the spelling that my first source had used - TOWIL.

You've reminded me of the value of lateral thinking - I'm indebted to you.

Best regards

Jef

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Jef

My pleasure.

ddycher has provided this link http://www.archive.org/details/briefrecordofadv00grearich for H Pirie-Gordon's A Brief Record of the Advance of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force under the command of General sir Edmund H H Allenby, July 1917 to October 1918.

The order/s of battle is/are given and both 378th and 387th Batteries are shown as part of Chetwode's XX Corps.

Carl

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Jef

My pleasure.

ddycher has provided this link http://www.archive.org/details/briefrecordofadv00grearich for H Pirie-Gordon's A Brief Record of the Advance of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force under the command of General sir Edmund H H Allenby, July 1917 to October 1918.

The order/s of battle is/are given and both 378th and 387th Batteries are shown as part of Chetwode's XX Corps.

Carl

Carl

My thanks to you and ddycher - I've got a whole lot of reading ahead of me!

regards

Jef

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