gnr.ktrha Posted 2 January , 2009 Share Posted 2 January , 2009 Hello, I have a raw edged British Brodie which was used by a member of the Black Watch. It has a Red Hackle painted on the left hand side and a dirty Yellow stripe running around the base of the helmet. The makers mark is faint, but reads 'L S 23' The first 3 marks are faint but complete, the 3 only shows the bottom half. Any ideas who may have made this helmet, or which battalion it was issued to? Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 2 January , 2009 Share Posted 2 January , 2009 Like to see a picture if poss. TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 2 January , 2009 Share Posted 2 January , 2009 There is no steel supplier recorded coded as 'LS' as such; but there was an MLS (Miris) manufacturing in 1916 and 17. From what I can recall Miris helmets are uncommon. Otherwise it could be HS (Hadfield), FS (Thomas Firth & Sons) or BS (Beardmore & Co). The 'brim band' is a known Black Watch brigade/ bn scheme - but can't lay hands on a reference for the life of me at the moment. I suspect it could by 153rd Bde, 51st Highland Div. My example - with green band - is below. Best wishes, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 2 January , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2009 Hello GT & TT, That looks very much the same as my Brodie. I will try and take some photos of it tonight. I do not know if the Makers stamps will show up too well in a photo, but I will try. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppp.p Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 Grovetown, are you sure, that "MLS" is Miris code? How do You know this? I searched this producer, but I found nothing ("MLS - unknown"; Mirris is as "MS" or "M&S"?). I have one shell signed MLS and made magnetic steel. It was used by AEF. (The photos before cleaning) Piotrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 How do You know this? The History of the Steel Helmet in the First World War, Haselgrove & Radovic, Vol II. With acknowledgements to Marcus Cotton. Best wishes, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppp.p Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 Thank You. Piotrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom A McCluskey Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 Stewart, I don't think it was HD as they seemed to wear the Brigade and Battalion stripes (horizontal and vertical) on the helmet. There is a good picture of one of the 4th Gordons wearing the 3 vertical stripes on their helmets at the battle of Cambrai. They are crossing a trench at, but I am at a loss to find the photo just now. Aye Tom McC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 3 January , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2009 Here is a photo of my Brodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 3 January , 2009 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2009 And this is the makers marks. I had to pencil them in so they showed up in the photo. No other marks were visible. There is no sign of a 'M' next to the 'LS' Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 Raw edge brodie sold 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 3 January , 2009 Share Posted 3 January , 2009 My own raw edge Brodie which will attract a magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 4 January , 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2009 Great photo's Wardog. It's good to see that LS was a mark used. Any ideas who they were? Also what does the Logo to the left of the mark say. To me it looks like 'MYRRYS' with one of the R's reversed so that the two straight edges are joined together to form one central line between the two R's. GT did you find you reference regarding the Unit markings? I would love to be able to know which Battalion/ Division used these markings and also the dates when they were used. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 4 January , 2009 Share Posted 4 January , 2009 Interesting that LS is not recorded - even as an unknown - by the accepted references on the subject. No immediate sign of a reference for the battalion etc (although not exactly hunting high and low at the moment). 153rd was a suggestion based on having two RH Bns in the same brigade. There's a green band (no hackle) - unit unknown - in Haselgrove/ Radovic (above); and NF in 62nd Bde, 21st Div had a red band (but no RH interest in that division). Best wishes, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 4 January , 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2009 Hello GT, Thanks for the info. If I turn up any reference to Div/Bde or Bn. I will let you know. Will check through my Black Watch books etc. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 14 December , 2018 Share Posted 14 December , 2018 MYЯRYS LOGO LS 18 MAGNETIC STEEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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