Terry Denham Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 CWGC added the following 'new' WW1 casualties to its Debt of Honour database today – Thursday 13th November. Pte Bernard CLARKE M/402290 Army Service Corps Died 24.10.18 Age 25 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Pte Thomas GRIFFIN 10999 23 Bn, Manchester Regiment Died 22.11.15 Age 28 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Pte Arthur HORTON 332919 9 Bn, King’s (Liverpool Regiment) Died 16.01.18 Age 27 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Gnr Sidney KEAR 213007 Royal Garrison Artillery Died 26.04.18 Age 23 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Gnr Henry KING 163868 Royal Field Artillery Died 13.12.17 Age 25 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Saddler Alfred KNAPP 50930 Royal Field Artillery Died 15.05.17 Age 51 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK NOT FORGOTTEN The above are further cases from the ‘In From The Cold Project’. Pte CLARKE died of pneumonia in Fargo Hospital, Durrington, Wilts (Volunteer: John Hartley) Pte GRIFFIN died of pneumonia & meningitis in 2nd Western General Hospital, Manchester (Volunteer: John Hartley) Pte HORTON died of pneumonia in HM Prison, Shrewsbury (Volunteer: Peter Woodger) Gnr KEAR committed suicide by hanging in the Citadel, Plymouth (Volunteer: Kevin O’Neill) Gnr KING died after a leg amputation due to a gun shot wound in 4th Northern General Hospital, Lincoln (Volunteer: Kevin O’Neill) Saddler KNAPP died of a liver abscess in the Military Hospital, Ripon (Volunteer: Kevin O’Neill) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Very very impressive, well done all. It's a great pity that the information you detail above can't be included on their entry. (reason for death/ Place of death) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 May They All Rest In Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilEvans Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 CWGC added the following 'new' WW1 casualties to its Debt of Honour database today – Thursday 13th November. Pte Arthur HORTON 332919 9 Bn, King's (Liverpool Regiment) Died 16.01.18 Age 27 Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK Pte HORTON died of pneumonia in HM Prison, Shrewsbury (Volunteer: Peter Woodger) I'll be at the Shropshire archives in Shrewsbury soon, Solely to check the Shrewsbury cemetery burial register, i'll be sure to check to see if he's buried there. Any more info on him? Has he been found via SDGW ? Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 May They All Rest In Peace Chris - Perhaps one for you Chris, I'd be interested since it may be a distant rellie, (via marriage) Pte Arthur Horton, born Manchester, enlisted Ashton-u-Lyne. There is a burial record, Manchester General Cemetery 5 days after his date of death. Grave 5281. Looks like the parents are buried there also (John and Priscilla) - also found these 3 on 1901 census. Terry- any indication of parents name on DC - present at death perhaps? Could be our chap. geoff edit: guess not present, see he died in prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 13 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Geoff/Neil No parental info but he lived at 475 Rochdale Rd, Manchester and was formerly a clogmaker I will get CWGC to check the grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilEvans Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Terry I will crack on with all of these to see if I can find a possible burial place Shropshiremad I will leave that one with you Geoff Note taken of yours Chris Geoff how did you get that Manchester Grave Ref? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Geoff/Neil No parental info but he lived at 475 Rochdale Rd, Manchester and was formerly a clogmaker I will get CWGC to check the grave. Terry, Father, on 1901 census, John Horton was a clog maker also. Could be our man in that grave. geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 how did you get that Manchester Grave Ref? Chris, here you go: http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/ Click on the grave number when you get a hit for more info. (every time Dad drove us past this large cemetery in Manchester, he used to tell me the same joke. "That's the dead center of Manchester.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Geoff thanks for that Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilEvans Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 One less job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 The only Thomas Griffin listed in the Manchester City Battalions Book of Honour was a police officer. I will contact Greater Manchester Police's archives & museum to see if they are able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 No parental info but he lived at 475 Rochdale Rd, Manchester and was formerly a clogmaker John, Priscilla, Elizabeth, Arthur all in grave 5281 - address in 1901 is 267 Rochdale Rd. Arthur is 10 yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 I have already e mailed Plymouth Re kear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Police Museum tell me they'll set their archivist to work - be back to us in a week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Police Museum tell me they'll set their archivist to work - be back to us in a week or so. In "Police speak" that means 1 year or so Seriously, nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Kear is not buried at any of the Plymouth cemeteries Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Kear is not buried at any of the Plymouth cemeteries I reckon a lot of home deaths made it home for burial. Born West Dean, Gloucester, enlisted Lydney, Gloucester. There is a Lydney memorial list on line but I could not find him there. Nothing found on line for West Dean, perhaps you will have more luck than I did. Nothing certain found for 1901 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Had another look on Ancestry 1901 - pig of a search engine. Found two Sidney Kear 1901 entries at the NA (don't have account for this). Both age 6, birth 'Glos West Dean' and West Dean Glos Shire' respectively. CP is West Dean. Cannot get these out of Ancestry. Good old A. This might be worth a go: http://www.forest-of-dean.net/ Some Gloucestershire war memorial transcripts here, might be useful for others. http://www.glosgen.co.uk/parish.htm Nothing on Lydney list. No list for West Dean or Coleford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Isn't there a "burial index" project out there somewhere? FindMyPast? And, at the risk of telling Chris how to suck eggs, surely an approach to the relevent local history library in the areas where they died and where they lived might secure a look-up in the local newspapers for a burial (often with "military honours") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 geoff's post re two Sidney Kears, West Dean: 1) Marsh Lane Son of Albert 2)Mill Hill Bream son of Richard Every other family in the area on Census are Kear! Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 15 November , 2008 Share Posted 15 November , 2008 John the next place to look for Kear is Lydney in the Forest Of Dean - the local cemetery is under the control of the CofE - now Sidney was a sucide - now Im going to be frank here - in every other case I have dealt with regarding churchyards/ Church cemeteries I have suffered from a lack of cooperation of the local clergy; which means my e mails/letters remain unanswered. I can name countless councils who give an answer with days; sometimes hours (god bless you Dover). Bringing us back to suicides these poor souls deaths were shunned at the time as they were a crime against the law of the land & against god. I dont forget any sources, but at times you are not going to get any answers Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will O'Brien Posted 15 November , 2008 Share Posted 15 November , 2008 Raising a belated glass to the memories of Bernard, Thomas, Arthur, Sidney, Henry & Alfred. Also another to Harters, Peter & Kev for their hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 17 November , 2008 Share Posted 17 November , 2008 Isn't there a "burial index" project out there somewhere? FindMyPast? The only national burial Index I'm aware of is the National Burial Index Ver 2. I have it on disk but it's never worked for me. Perhaps someone has a copy that works? Some counties get good cover whereas others get scant coverage. John,Peter,Kevin - WELL DONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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