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Evening

thought I would post this photo of some very young ( and not so young) soldiers.

A relation of mine is in there (not the oul' hand!)

I am 95% sure of the regiment and the rough date and location, but I would be interested in the pals comments - all welcome.

Sorry about the quality- can't be helped.

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David

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Possible Church Lads Brigade????????

asked the Secretary of State for War what proportion of boys trained in the Church Lads Brigade under the War Office scheme ultimately join the King's Royal Rifle Corps or other branches of the Army; and whether it is proposed to extend the scheme of military training to other religious organisations?

§ Mr. SHAW On 31st October, 1928, the strength of the officially recognised units of the Church Lads Brigade was 19,515, and during the 12 months preceding that date the number of members and ex-members of the brigade who enlisted in the Regular Army and Territorial Army was 163 and 270, respectively. Separate figures for enlistments into the King's Royal Rifle Corps are not available. As regards the second part of the question, religious organisations are not invited to raise cadet units, but if any such organisation were to apply for recognition of854W cadet units, the application would be considered on its merits.

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The 1/8th Battalion, The London Regiment was a CLB unit. The Church lads

Brigade was a civilian youth organisation, linked to the Church of England

and organised on quasi-military lines, a bit like the Boy Scouts. He was

probably a Church Lad before he enlisted, rather than the other way about.

I only know od one Great War battalion that was directly linked with the

Church Lads. It was the 16th (Service) Battalion (Church Lads Brigade),

The King's Royal Rifle Corps raised at Denham, Buckinghamshire by Field

Marshal Lord Grenfell (Commandant of the Church Lads Brigade) on 19 Aug

1914 from present and past members of the Church Lads Brigade.

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Possibly York and lancaster regiment at Pontefract Barracks.

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Possibly York and lancaster regiment at Pontefract Barracks.

That's interesting,as my great uncle Norman was in the 8th,Y&L. No known photo of him,would be nice if he was there waiting to be found.

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Folks

Thanks for your replies

better come clean - The younger post is David Alexander Brown 30004 9th Yorks who was killed near Le Cateau in 1918. However he is recorded as Notts and Derby initially but not on the MIC.

I think the photo is late 1915, early 1916 due to his d.o.b. and N+D service number. What puzzles me is the photo? Looks like Yorks cap badges/'northern type building, but David seems to have a lot of metal on his right shoulder not visible in the others. Any ideas?

David

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Possible Church Lads Brigade????????

The 1/8th Battalion, The London Regiment was a CLB unit. The Church lads

Brigade was a civilian youth organisation, linked to the Church of England

and organised on quasi-military lines, a bit like the Boy Scouts. He was

probably a Church Lad before he enlisted, rather than the other way about.

I only know od one Great War battalion that was directly linked with the

Church Lads. It was the 16th (Service) Battalion (Church Lads Brigade),

The King's Royal Rifle Corps raised at Denham, Buckinghamshire by Field

Marshal Lord Grenfell (Commandant of the Church Lads Brigade) on 19 Aug

1914 from present and past members of the Church Lads Brigade.

The Church Lads Brigade adopted khaki service dress in 1917 on being formally recognised as a cadet unit by the War Office. They were affiliated to the King's Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) and wore blackened badges and buttons in the rifles tradition.

The men in this picture are definitely not wearing rifles buttons and badges!

16th (Service) Battalion (Church Lads Brigade) KRRC was originally formed by the Church Lads Brigade but included men without CLB connections. 16/KRRC wore standard KRRC service dress.

Prior to 1917, the Church Lads Brigade had their own uniform, and I'm afraid it looked nothing like this photo!

This Topic gives a lot more background to this and includes pictures of CLB cadets in both uniform styles:

16th Battalion KRRC., Unusual badge.

I'm confident these men are neither KRRC nor Church Lads Brigade.

Cheers,

Mark

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The 1/8th Battalion, The London Regiment was a CLB unit.

Not sure where you've got this from?

IIRC 1/8th London Regiment was in fact The Post Office Rifles!

I'm not aware of any of the London Regiment battalions having a formal affiliation to the Church Lads Brigade.

Ex CLB cadets did not of course always enlist into the KRRC - there's a post elsewhere on the GWF about a pre-1917 CLB cap badge being found during excavations at Gallipoli. The theory being that the owner had carried his former CLB cadets cap badge as a talisman. There were no KRRC units at Gallipoli, so clearly this former CLB member had enlisted into another regiment.

HTH!

Cheers,

Mark

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Looks like Yorks cap badges/'northern type building......

David

What's northern about the building.......!!? :wacko:

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