Old War Skule Posted 28 September , 2008 Share Posted 28 September , 2008 I'm waiting to see insignias worn by the Royal Warwicks in the Fourth Division. Thanks for your effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Foster Posted 28 September , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2008 (edited) OWD Post your query in this thread Arthur may be able to help Regards Chris Edited 24 October , 2019 by spof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old War Skule Posted 29 September , 2008 Share Posted 29 September , 2008 Thanks, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmarchand Posted 30 September , 2008 Share Posted 30 September , 2008 great stuff! but don't waste your time on the Canadian corps, they are well documented and viewable online in many locations, this is a good one: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ceftp/patches.htm The UK brigades seem hard to decipher, and information on those patches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 30 September , 2008 Share Posted 30 September , 2008 I'm waiting to see insignias worn by the Royal Warwicks in the Fourth Division. Thanks for your effort. Hi, The I-d pamphlet gives the following details: [1] 1st Bn. Warwickshire Regt: 3” X 1” green horizontal rectangle, cotton. [2] 1st Bn. Warwickshire Regt: Dark blue horizontal rectangle with a vertical orange-yellow central stripe, ribbon. Note: I should imagine that the colours given would be the same as the colours of their hackle that they later wore! 10th Infantry Brigade: Buff rectangle with blue centre. The illustration shows a horizontal rectangle with a vertical central stripe, cotton. There were no other details given. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old War Skule Posted 3 October , 2008 Share Posted 3 October , 2008 Thanks, Arthur. Your information confirms Chappell's in the Osprey book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Foster Posted 6 October , 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October , 2008 Well, its my own time I'm wasting Scott. And as far as I know no one else as posted images of the Canadian Div's on the GWF. Kindest Regards Chris H.Q 4th Inf Bde 4th T.M Battery 18th Bn 19th Bn More to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Foster Posted 6 October , 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October , 2008 20th Bn 21st Bn H.Q 5th Inf bde 5th T.M Battery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Foster Posted 6 October , 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October , 2008 22nd Bn 23rd Bn (No reference) 24th Bn 25th Bn 26th Bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilks Posted 21 October , 2008 Share Posted 21 October , 2008 I am trying to identify what I believe may be a divisional insignia worn by a relative of mine during WW1. He started out life in the Berks Regt but transferred to the MGC in summer 1915. The insignia in question is a square made up of 4 - coloured triangles - red, green, yellow and blue with a smaller black square at the centr of the larger square. Anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 21 October , 2008 Share Posted 21 October , 2008 Thanks to Johnreed for the 'one eyed man is king' explanation .. can you (or anyone else expand on that) .. was that a Kipling story? And why did the Guards choose that symbol? Cheers Des Des, We're straying off topic here, but I reckon you're thinking of Kipling's short story The Man Who Would Be King. It was filmed with Sean Connery and Michael Caine. The plot hinges on the two protagonists being freemasons. The one-eyed man etc. relates more to a short story by H.G.Wells called The Country Of The Blind. Both are excellent by the way. The original saying "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" goes back to the Adages published by Erasmus in 1500 ... in the original Latin: "In regione caecorum rex est luscus" I must admit though, I thought the Guards symbol was definitely the masonic All-Seeing Eye and had not heard this explanation before. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Foster Posted 21 October , 2008 Author Share Posted 21 October , 2008 I am trying to identify what I believe may be a divisional insignia worn by a relative of mine during WW1. He started out life in the Berks Regt but transferred to the MGC in summer 1915. The insignia in question is a square made up of 4 - coloured triangles - red, green, yellow and blue with a smaller black square at the centr of the larger square. Anyone have any ideas? Any chance of a photo Wilks ? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilks Posted 21 October , 2008 Share Posted 21 October , 2008 Any chance of a photo Wilks ? Regards Chris Unfortunately not; I have tried to draw the insignia and import it here but to no effect - perhaps a different explanation. Think of 4 equalateral triangles, 1 red, 1 green, 1 blue and 1 yellow - all with the apex pointed at a central point so that what were the baselines of the individual triangles form the outside of a square. Superimposed on that larger square ( about 2" square) is a smaller (1/2" square) black square. If we have no joy then I will try to obtain a photograph from my father but importing it to this forum may be difficult to achieve i.e. currently serving in the RAF and this system has various "security" measures to prevent viruses etc. Sorry. Wilks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 22 October , 2008 Share Posted 22 October , 2008 ... I reckon you're thinking of Kipling's short story The Man Who Would Be King. . Course that was before Kipling got interested in insignia and started writing books about Cap Badges! Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian.rogers573@ntlworld.com Posted 20 December , 2008 Share Posted 20 December , 2008 Hi I see the 9th (Scottish) Division insignia displayed can you tell me if this was worn by the sSouth African Brigade who were part of this division? Many thanks Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 20 October , 2013 Share Posted 20 October , 2013 Really useful to see these unit patches shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketman Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 Ref Divisional Insignia, 16th Division ( Irish ) ( New Army) Green Clover Leaf Hello I am new to this so bear with my ignorance! My Grandfather served in France 1916 - 1919 in the Hampshire Regiment, No 41437 - (he was a Royal Engineer, but his medals state "Private" would he not have been a "Sapper"?) I have his Royal Engineer shoulder titles and another which is identical to the Green Clover of 16th Division ( Irish ) ( New Army) as shown earlier on this thread. What does this mean? How could he have been Hampshire Reg. & 16th Div(Irish)? Any help on putting me on the right track will be much appreciated. Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fair Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 I like it when an excellent old thread like this bursts into life after 5 years or so. Incidentally it's the first time I've seen the 47th Division sign shown as in post 29 above. Its normally shown as per my avatar with the lines drawn into the centre spot. (See the embossed cover of the divisional history, a divisional Christmas card in my possession from 1918, and the cigarette card set). I wonder if this version was used at a different point in the war, or was used in order to simplify the painting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 Really useful to see these unit patches shown. Jerry B, Thanks for reopening this Thread, I was not aware of it. Chris did a great job back in 2008 putting all this extremely useful information together, so many thanks to Chris, an excellent resource. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_H Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 Jeremy The 11th (Service) Battalion Hampshire Regiment were the Divisional Pioneers of the 16th Division. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 To address the half-decade old questions about the Guards Div sign, I did a little research on this about 20 years ago. Whilst I no longer have my precise findings, I do recall that the symbol was chosen by the ASC Transport officer attached to the Div when it was formed in 1915. (I recall he was a captain, but I forget his name - it will be in a notebook somewhere in the attic.) It would be astonishing if there were no masonic connection. The Ever Open Eye symbol is very strongly associated with Freemasonry, and The Craft has always been a powerful influence in the Guards. The sign soon became known as the "Gladeye" and this seems to have derived from a Florrie Forde music hall song called "Oh, The Lady With the Glad Eye." The sign was redesigned in WW2 by the artist Rex Whistler, who was killed in action as a Sherman commander with the tank battalion of the Welsh Guards on the first day of Op GOODWOOD. Post-war (WW2) the sign was used by IV (Guards) Armoured Brigade, with a small Roman IV added below the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 Jerry B, Thanks for reopening this Thread, I was not aware of it. Chris did a great job back in 2008 putting all this extremely useful information together, so many thanks to Chris, an excellent resource. Regards, LF Hi LF, I found whilst undertaking a search and though I had nothing constructive to add to it I commented on it so I could find it again. A great and very useful thread IMHO. As you mention, praise is due to Chris who posted the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bantamforgot Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 I have always thought this should be a "classic thread" & tried to have it listed in earlier days. Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 I have always thought this should be a "classic thread" & tried to have it listed in earlier days. Colin. It would get my vote Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketman Posted 3 December , 2013 Share Posted 3 December , 2013 Jeremy The 11th (Service) Battalion Hampshire Regiment were the Divisional Pioneers of the 16th Division. Mike Mike - Many thanks for this - I am trying to get my head round all the units/divisions/regiments etc to see if I can find out what he did! Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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