Gunner Bailey Posted 23 September , 2022 Author Share Posted 23 September , 2022 Letters such as B are normally inspector's ident stamps. It could be 18 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian45 Posted 29 November , 2022 Share Posted 29 November , 2022 Hi All, I saw this Rum Jar at a local auction. I was wondering is it possible to put a rough date on this one from the manufactures markings on the base. I suspect that it might be from the Great War period from the bit of research I've done. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 1 December , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2022 Yes, that's a WW1 Pearson stamp. Only WW2 Pearson jars were dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 9 January , 2023 Share Posted 9 January , 2023 I am a basket weaver researching willow encasements for RN rum jars and would like to try and replicate one. Does anyone know of a pattern , instructions, or where/ how these were worked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 9 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 9 January , 2023 23 minutes ago, viv said: I am a basket weaver researching willow encasements for RN rum jars and would like to try and replicate one. Does anyone know of a pattern , instructions, or where/ how these were worked? Would photos help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 9 January , 2023 Share Posted 9 January , 2023 I have a few photos, and can see and handle one or two in museum collections (Portsmouth and Cardiff) but actually yes that would help - close ups of the base, where the base is joined to the body, the top rim, the 'lid' , if anyone can help. Details like variation in design ( with/ without lid or handle) , was a specific willow used (pics I've seen look like black maul but maybe it was whatever was available ). Thank you for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 January , 2023 Share Posted 10 January , 2023 An interesting and worthwhile project! Good luck! Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 10 January , 2023 Share Posted 10 January , 2023 Thank you. I'll update the forum if I succeed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 20 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2023 (edited) Here are some photos of a WW1 jar in the wicker case. Edited 20 January , 2023 by Gunner Bailey images upside down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 20 January , 2023 Share Posted 20 January , 2023 Fantastic and very helpful pictures thank you 😊. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 20 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2023 A few more. It's a bit battered but well after 100+ years there are not many in mint condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 20 January , 2023 Share Posted 20 January , 2023 It's incredibly well preserved for an organic material that has no doubt had an interesting life though . Would it have been used in the army in ww1? I understand the navy took on the idea for smaller boats and subs later. Is the basketry lid attached to the basket body ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 20 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2023 (edited) I think the majority of jars for the army were without a wicker cover but had a wire and wooden handle. They may have been for Navy exclusively. They are rarer than the plain jars. A few years ago I dismantled a poor condition wicker basket, which was literally falling to pieces. The cone shaped 'lid' was simply held in place by the top rim of the basket and the handles. WW2 Navy wicker jars often have a red band painted around the middle, about 2 inches wide. Edited 20 January , 2023 by Gunner Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 20 January , 2023 Share Posted 20 January , 2023 OK that makes sense.I have just bought a chipped jar on ebay partially wickered (the rest has broken away with wear so no base to look at. Your photo is very clear so it should be easy to replicate). I'll start working through the potteries mentioned at the beginning of the thread as I think they may have clues about the basketry. As an aside there is a fascinating article about artillery covered shells if you Google 'Dryad and the MERL artillery shell basket '. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 20 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2023 Hope it goes well. A worthwhile project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv Posted 20 January , 2023 Share Posted 20 January , 2023 I will let you know . Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh2345678 Posted 22 January , 2023 Share Posted 22 January , 2023 (edited) Could anyone tell me if this was ww1 or ww2 ? By the maker being SKEY 9 TAMWORTH looks like a 1/2 gallon Regards josh Edited 22 January , 2023 by josh2345678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 23 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 23 January , 2023 Almost certainly WW1. SKEY were makers of high quality floor tiles, ceramic pipes and insulators. They were taken over in 1935 and I believe the name SKEY was no longer used after that date. The number 9 refers to the inspector who checked the jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 23 January , 2023 Share Posted 23 January , 2023 Apparently bought out by Doulton's in 1935, but then in use from 1938 until the 1960's by Doulton Insulators, apparently for those ceramic insulators found on telegraph poles, etc. So on this evidence the jar has to be pre 1935/38 and yes, probably WW1. Not a common maker though! See e.g.: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/George_Skey_and_Co and follow it through For an AP of the works dated 1934 see - http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epr000093 Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 23 January , 2023 Author Share Posted 23 January , 2023 3 hours ago, trajan said: Apparently bought out by Doulton's in 1935, but then in use from 1938 until the 1960's by Doulton Insulators, apparently for those ceramic insulators found on telegraph poles, etc. So on this evidence the jar has to be pre 1935/38 and yes, probably WW1. Not a common maker though! Trajan But not particularly rare though. There are quite a few around and like their floor tiles are of the very best quality. The jar pictured is most likely to be WW1 as that was the probably the time of maximum production, BUT the jars can pre date WW1 and were also produced into WW2 of course. I doubt if Doulton still has the SKEY records though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reluctantuncle Posted 12 February , 2023 Share Posted 12 February , 2023 On 27/04/2018 at 16:29, chamster said: KNOWN SRD JAR MANUFACTURERS MARKS. (in my collection 1 gallon size unless stated) BARKER POTTERY, CHESTERFIELD . BATESON'S 1914. ( WITH POTTERY HANDLE ) . BATESON'S 1915 . BOURNE . DENBY . ( WITH BROKEN POTTERY HANDLE ). BOURNE 39 DENBY . J . BOURNE & SON LTD . 1945 . F . BRAYNE & CO . LIMITED . LONDON. E . A . W .BUCHAN & CO . POTTERIES PORTOBELLO . MID LOTHIAN . BUCHAN . PORTOBELLO . EDINBURGH . ( 2 x WITH POTTERY HANDLE ) . CANDY DEVON . MADE IN ENGLAND . C . CARDER & SONS . LEYS POTTERY . BRIERLEY HILL . CALEDONIAN 5 RUTHERGLEN . DOULTON & CO . LIMITED . LAMBETH . DOULTON & CO . LTD . LAMBETH . ( 1/2 GALLON ) . DOULTON & CO . LTD . 17 . LAMBETH . THE POTTERY . FULHAM . LONDON . GIBBS & CANNING LIMITED . DEPTFORD . GIBBS & CANNING LTD . TAMWORTH . GIBBS & CANNING LTD . TAMWORTH . STAFFS . GRAY 4 . PORTOBELLO . N B . GOVANCROFT POTTERY CO . LTD . GLASGOW . GROSVENOR E GLASGOW . HARTLEYS . LTD . HUNTS PATENT . LIVERPOOL . M . KNOWLES & SON . CHESTERFIELD . KENNEDY BARROWFIELD 50 POTTERIES . GLASGOW . KENNEDY BARROWFIELD POTTERIES . GLASGOW . LOVATT & LOVATT . LTD . ( 1/2 GALLON ) . LOVATT & LANGLEY WARE . ENGLAND . J . LUMB & CO . LTD . MAKERS . ( GLASS DEMIJOHN ) . MANSFIELD BROS . CHURCH GRESLEY . MARQUIS . POTTERY . BELFAST . MOTTISHAW & BRADSHAW MAKERS . CASTLEFORD . PRICE BRISTOL . PRICE Z1 BRISTOL . PRICE Z1 BRISTOL . ( 1/2 GALLON ) . C . PHILLIPS & SON . CASTLEFORD . C . PHILLIPS & SON . CASTLEFORD . ( 1/2 GALLON ) . JAMES PEARSON LIMITED . CHESTERFIELD . PEARSON & CO . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR . NR . CHESTERFIELD . PEARSON & CO . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR . NR . CHESTERFIELD . ( 2 GALLON ) . PEARSON & CO . WHITTINGTON MOOR POTTERIES . CHESTERFIELD . JAMES PEARSON LIMITED . CHESTERFIELD . 1939 . PEARSON & CO .( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . WHITTINGTON MOOR . MADE IN ENGLAND . 1939 . PEARSON & CO. ( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR 2 . CHESTERFIELD . 1940 . PEARSON & CO. ( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR 1 . CHESTERFIELD .1943 . PEARSON & CO. ( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR 2 . CHESTERFIELD . 1944 . PEARSON & CO. ( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . THE POTTERIES . WHITTINGTON MOOR 2 . CHESTERFIELD . 1945 . PORT DUNDAS POTTERY CO . GLASGOW . POSSIL POTTERY . GLASGOW . ROBINSON . JACK LANE POTTERY . LEEDS . STIFF . W . LAMBETH . SKEY. 6 . TAMWORTH . SKEY. 9 . TAMWORTH . ( 1/2 GALLON ) . SKEY . TAMWORTH . ( 2 GALLON ) . SLACK & BROWNLOW . GORTON . ( 1/2 GALLON . WALLACE . BELFAST . WALTON POTTERY CO . CHESTERFIELD . JAMES WOODWARD LIMITED . SWADLINCOTE . E . WRIGHT & CO . LIMITED . CHESTERFIELD . OTHER KNOWN MARKS........... GASKELL & CHAMBERS ( LONDON ) LTD . 1915 . GASKELL & CHAMBERS ( LONDON ) LTD . 1917 . ANY NEW ADDITIONS NOT LISTED I WILL BE VERY PLEASED TO HEAR FROM YOU, EVEN BETTER WITH A PHOTO OF JAR & MARK. This might be a stupid question but I just picked up an SRD jug with "PEARSON & CO .( CHESTERFIELD ) LTD . WHITTINGTON MOOR . MADE IN ENGLAND . 1939" on the bottom. Am I right in thinking the '1939' there is the date of manufacture? and therefore this jug dates from the second world war? The seller also said the label (pictured) is the original, though Im sceptical on this point! Any help greatly appreciated. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 13 February , 2023 Share Posted 13 February , 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, reluctantuncle said: Am I right in thinking the '1939' there is the date of manufacture? and therefore this jug dates from the second world war? Yes - these jars were still being made and issued throughout WW2, and can be found dated as late as 1945, eg: https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/equipment-field-gear/srd-rum-ration-jar-1945-dated-629852/ Edited 13 February , 2023 by Andrew Upton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reluctantuncle Posted 13 February , 2023 Share Posted 13 February , 2023 Thanks Andrew, very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 13 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2023 I doubt if the label is original. There were labels stuck onto WW2 jars but they normally advised on storage conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reluctantuncle Posted 15 February , 2023 Share Posted 15 February , 2023 Thanks. Steamed it off anyway, looks much better without! A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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