SiegeGunner Posted 10 April , 2017 Share Posted 10 April , 2017 I have a number of pieces of Moira domestic ware and have just googled to confirm my understanding of when and why it went out of production. The tiny black flecks in Moira pots are coal, and the clay pits and factory were acquired in the early 1970s by compulsory purchase by the National Coal Board to open-cast mine the coal deposits underlying the site. In passing, though, I noticed that the Wiki entry says that Moira was founded in 1922. That may be wrong, of course, but if it's correct, it would seem that Moira SRD jars must be post-war, when I assume they were still made and used by the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 10 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 10 April , 2017 (edited) On 10/04/2017 at 11:24, SiegeGunner said: I have a number of pieces of Moira domestic ware and have just googled to confirm my understanding of when and why it went out of production. The tiny black flecks in Moira pots are coal, and the clay pits and factory were acquired in the early 1970s by compulsory purchase by the National Coal Board to open-cast mine the coal deposits underlying the site. In passing, though, I noticed that the Wiki entry says that Moira was founded in 1922. That may be wrong, of course, but if it's correct, it would seem that Moira SRD jars must be post-war, when I assume they were still made and used by the military. Thanks that's interesting. My Moira SRD is virtually the only one I've bought in the UK. All the rest come from Brocantes on the Somme. Edited 13 April , 2017 by Gunner Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamster Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 10:54, Gunner Bailey said: That's a new one to me. Nice find. John Hello John, Have recently acquired a one gallon jar which to me is quite unique...........it has two SRD marks on opposite sides of the shoulder, one is an ink stamp and the other impressed. The pottery mark is also new to me....THOS. WRAGG & SONS LTD. SWADLINCOTE. STAMPED IN THE BASE. However I am still searching for a jar from...........MOIRA Co. Ltd. Pottery..............MANSFIELD Bros. Church Cresley. if anyone out there has them for sale or swap. These are the only two known makers not yet in my collection now standing at over 80 jars. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 13 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Keith That's quite a collection! I may have a Mansfield Bros. I'll check. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamster Posted 20 June , 2017 Share Posted 20 June , 2017 On 4/13/2017 at 21:48, Gunner Bailey said: Keith That's quite a collection! I may have a Mansfield Bros. I'll check. John Hello John, Any chance of a sale or swop on the Mansfield Bros. Have recently acquired a Moira jar. If you don't wish to sell any chance of a photo of the pottery mark. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 21 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 21 June , 2017 9 hours ago, chamster said: Hello John, Any chance of a sale or swop on the Mansfield Bros. Have recently acquired a Moira jar. If you don't wish to sell any chance of a photo of the pottery mark. Keith. Apologies for the delay my jars are in storage at the moment. I hadn't forgotten. I get back to you soon. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 21 June , 2017 Share Posted 21 June , 2017 (edited) On 4/13/2017 at 20:50, chamster said: Hello John, Have recently acquired a one gallon jar which to me is quite unique...........it has two SRD marks on opposite sides of the shoulder, one is an ink stamp and the other impressed. The pottery mark is also new to me....THOS. WRAGG & SONS LTD. SWADLINCOTE. STAMPED IN THE BASE. However I am still searching for a jar from...........MOIRA Co. Ltd. Pottery..............MANSFIELD Bros. Church Cresley. if anyone out there has them for sale or swap. These are the only two known makers not yet in my collection now standing at over 80 jars. Keith It might help to point out that Moira Co Ltd. Mansfield Bros. should read Church Gresley. This is an area a stones throw from the centre of Swadlincote, south Derbyshire. I remember it well as I was in 'digs' in Church Gresley in 1977 as a young police recruit. Swadlincote was a major coal mining area until the Miners Strike brought about all manner of change. I seem to think some of the glazed and very chunky pottery coming from the area was referred to as 'Gresley Ware' and I think another big maker of it was T.G. Green. This is often referred to as Cornishware, but I feel sure there was a T.G. Green (Gresley) shop in the Gresley area when I lived there. David Edited 23 June , 2017 by GRANVILLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 23 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2017 Keith Found it. Photos attached. Unique colour and a unique shape. A rare jar. This is the only one I've found. David. The mark supports your post completely. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamster Posted 24 June , 2017 Share Posted 24 June , 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 09:47, Gunner Bailey said: Keith Found it. Photos attached. Unique colour and a unique shape. A rare jar. This is the only one I've found. David. The mark supports your post completely. John Just now, chamster said: Very many thanks to you John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 Hi all. I am new to this forum and to SRD jars. We were in the Somme area last week and I found this 1/2 Gallon jar in La Boisselle. Nice one I think, common Pearsons & Co make with clear manufacturer stamp on the bottom. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 3 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 October , 2017 Pearson's are probably the most commonly found jar. They made them through to WW2 and beyond I think. The stamp on the base changed over time so you can tell WW1 from WW2 jars. Your jar looks to be a very good example. Many are quite rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 3 October , 2017 Share Posted 3 October , 2017 You think this one is WW1 or rather in between wars, or is that hard to determine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 3 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 October , 2017 It's WW1. Later Pearson jars have a date as part of the stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 3 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 October , 2017 Here's some photos of a WW2 (1945) dated jar. The odd colouring on the first photo is just the flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 4 October , 2017 Share Posted 4 October , 2017 (edited) Thanks for the info and the pictures Gunner. It also has the later oval shaped maker's stamp I see. I seem to remember reading somewhere in this thread that if the (older type) stamp has 'Ltd' after 'Pearson & Co' it is made after 1925. Is this true? Nice one btw you show on the pictures with the 'Far Apart' sticker on the side. Edited 4 October , 2017 by Brommer66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2017 (edited) From memory I can't say but it is probably covered in this thread. Edited 4 October , 2017 by Gunner Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 7 October , 2017 Share Posted 7 October , 2017 (edited) I found the post referring to 1925 as the year when LTD was added. It was one of your posts btw, #165 of 11Nov2008 Anyway, searching the net I came upon information stating 1922 as the year when the name changed to Pearson & Co (Chesterfield) Ltd. Edited 8 October , 2017 by Brommer66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 8 October , 2017 Share Posted 8 October , 2017 Above information found here: http://www.mernick.org.uk/BrownJugs/Brampton/Brampton.htm and taken from 'Potteries of Derbyshire' by Ronald Brown, Journal of the Northern Ceramic Circle, 1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew pugh Posted 8 October , 2017 Share Posted 8 October , 2017 Good Evening All When I was in France in late August of this year my brother and I popped into Tommies for a cup of coffee and was astounded at the amount of rum jars he has, hundreds of them, surely they all cannot be originals, Snide's or probably or ww2? Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommer66 Posted 8 October , 2017 Share Posted 8 October , 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, andrew pugh said: Good Evening All When I was in France in late August of this year my brother and I popped into Tommies for a cup of coffee and was astounded at the amount of rum jars he has, hundreds of them, surely they all cannot be originals, Snide's or probably or ww2? Regards Andy Hi Andy, SRD jars were produced in large quantities I understand, and I guess a lot of them did survive. So I think there is no real need for the 'trade' to make reproductions. Le Tommie just has imo an exceptional large stock of these. Btw, what do you mean by 'Snide's' ? Jos Edited 8 October , 2017 by Brommer66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew pugh Posted 9 October , 2017 Share Posted 9 October , 2017 Hi Jos The word Snide is also used as a slang word where I come from and can mean crafty one or not real, or even repro or not authentic. I know that there were probably millions of them made during the two World Wars., but where did all that quantity come from? Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 10 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 21:05, andrew pugh said: Good Evening All When I was in France in late August of this year my brother and I popped into Tommies for a cup of coffee and was astounded at the amount of rum jars he has, hundreds of them, surely they all cannot be originals, Snide's or probably or ww2? Regards Andy Andy Yes they will all be original and 95% or more will be WW1. I've done quite a lot of field walking and in almost every location I've seen bits of broken SRD jars. If you go to the many street brocantes on the Somme you will always see SRD jars. The French families must have harvested them in the thousands. Prices vary depending on the seller. €5 and upwards. French antique dealers normally charge €25-30 for them. I've seen a couple for sale in UK antique shops in the £20-£30 region. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Ration Posted 4 November , 2017 Share Posted 4 November , 2017 How common are SRD jars with manufacturer's markings, date and broad arrow marking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamster Posted 4 November , 2017 Share Posted 4 November , 2017 7 hours ago, Rum Ration said: How common are SRD jars with manufacturer's markings, date and broad arrow marking? Hello Rum Ration, They are about although not that common to have all 3 marks on the one jar. This is a new makers mark to me and my collection of over 85 jars in total makes it a little special. Having said that I don't think there is a finite list of makers marks that seem to keep coming out of the woodwork If it is not too much trouble would much appreciate a photo of the whole jar showing SRD font and colour. Nice jar anytime you want to sell please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Ration Posted 4 November , 2017 Share Posted 4 November , 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, chamster said: Here you go chamster. Edited 4 November , 2017 by Rum Ration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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