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keithchristmas

I have just started to research the names listed on the First War Memorial in the viliage of Worplesdon in Surrey.

This lists a Herbert James Deacon. The CWGC site records that he died on the 19/9/1918, and that he was serviving on HMS POWERFUL as a Boy 2nd Class. Service number J92245.

I have not so far been able to establish any information with regard to HMS Powerful at this time. What was the ships role in 1918 and where did it serve?

Keith

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per ardua per mare per terram

She was a Boys Training Ship at Devonport.

His online service register will probably not add much:

Name Deacon, Herbert James

Official Number: J92245

Place of Birth: Woking, Surrey

Date of Birth: 16 March 1901

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1

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keithchristmas

Many thanks will your help on this one.

Regards,

Keith

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melliget

Keith.

The Times had this snippet on her retirement, giving a little of her history:

The Times, Monday, Sep 16, 1929

LAST OF AN OLD CRUISER

A naval link with the South African War

was severed on Saturday with the departure

from Plymouth of H.M.S. POWERFUL, built 35

years ago as a fast armoured cruiser and now

sold out of the Navy. She has been bought

by a shipbreaking firm. When on the way

home from her first commission in China she

landed a naval brigade and 14 guns to assist

in the relief of Ladysmith. After being the

flagship of the Australian station for six years

she was fitted out as a training ship at Devon-

port. She was so used until the end of last

year, when the establishment was closed down.

The following young sailor of the POWERFUL also died on the same day, so an accident of some kind perhaps..?

BURMAN, RALPH WATSON

Boy 2nd Class, Royal Navy

Age 17, Service No J/92269

Son of Benjamin and Matilda Burman, of 28, Florence Rd., Cathall Rd., Leytonstone.

Due to the Australian connection (with the ship), if you search Picture Australia for HMS POWERFUL or POWERFUL NAVAL, it returns some photos of the vessel. There are also some references to the ship in the National Archives of Australia.

regards,

Martin

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keithchristmas

Thanks Martin.

It is interesting that another Boy 2nd Class also died on the same day. It does indeed sound like it may have been an accident of some kind. Perhaps someone on the forum may know more.

How long at this time would the Boy's training have lasted before they were transfered to another ship for active service?

Regards,

Keith

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historydavid

Deacon died from illness in VICTORY..

Burman died from illness on POWERFUL.

Best wishes

David

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keithchristmas

Hi David,

That answers that one!

Many thanks for your help

Regards,

keith

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I have just started to research the names listed on the First War Memorial in the viliage of Worplesdon in Surrey.

This lists a Herbert James Deacon. The CWGC site records that he died on the 19/9/1918, and that he was serviving on HMS POWERFUL as a Boy 2nd Class. Service number J92245.

I have not so far been able to establish any information with regard to HMS Powerful at this time. What was the ships role in 1918 and where did it serve?

Keith

Herbert was born to Harriett Deacon in 1901, St Mary's baptism parish register has Harriett listed as an unmarried mother, from all accounts Harriett was a strong character who know doubt wouldn’t give up her son.

Herbert join up just after his 17th Birthday, Herbert went to HMS Victory in Portsmouth for probably the first 6 months of this service then onto the training ship HMS Powerful, HMS Powerful was used to train "boy" stokers.

On Herbert’s service record he is listed at 5 foot 8.5 inches tall, 34 chest, hazel eyes and fair hair, it also describes him having tattoos on his body.

Herbert joined HMS Powerful just as it was hit by Spanish Flu, I've seen records for over 20 "boy" who died from the Flu or its resulting after affects.

Herbert died in Stonehouse R.N. hospital Plymouth on the 19th Sept 1918, the cause of death being pneumonia .

Because Herbert never drew a wage from HMS Powerful his only service is shown as HMS Victory in Portsmouth.

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Toms girl

Hi Battlecruiser

The usual training boys received was eighteen months. By this time they became boys 1st class and were usually sent to a ship, and had been trained for various sections of the ship ie signals. Many of the lads were not well educated (school leaving age was 14) The navy did its best in the eighteen months and many left with a good all round knowledge of geography, history, and basic maths. Handwritting was also part of the lessons as many could only print. Life was hard and strict with little food.

How sad that they did'nt employ the clearest writers to complete the naval records, it would have saved us all a lot of time.

reagrds Margarette

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oscarquebec

Thanks everyone, such helpful information. I have just started to research my Great Uncle George Henry Wake born 1899 and joined HMS Powerful in August 1917 his service number J76790. In November 1917 he transferred to HMS Benbow, I guess that was on the completion of training and coming of age.

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Guest StokerJohn

Just to add to the intrigue, there is another death: J R Bargent. Boy 2nd Class. Died of 'illness' PICT1398_zps93e122b1.jpg19th September 1918.

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Ron Clifton

I believe that the use of some of her guns in the relief of Ladysmith, described in post #4, is the origin of the Royal Navy Field Gun competition, a staple of the Royal Tournament for so many years.

Ron

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Bill Edwards

Anyone got info on a Ernest Henry Rafe, 392985, Boy 2nd Class, HMS Powerful, IX 1918 to end of hostilities?

Bill Edwards

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horatio2

His Official Number was J.92985, not 392985. Victory and British War Medals issued to him in HMS HERMES in the rating of Able Seaman (duplicate BWM issued to him in HMS PEMBROKE in 1927).

Two sets of records at Kew for him here:-

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6895506

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14831027

 

Engagement papers (probably with Parental Consent Form) at the Fleet Air Arm Museum.

 

 

Edited by horatio2

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Cookie1

Hi all, just reading all your posts and thought I would reply. My great grandads brother died age 18 of Spanish flu on HMS Powerful. So many young boys lost their lives due to the flu. His sername was Bowsted, he was from Cheltenham where he is still at rest. His brother (my great grandad) joind the Gloucesters and survived the whole war bless him.

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Ann Best

I am trying to find a photo of my Grandfather Charles Fry who joined HMS Powerful in 1917?

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Greyghost

Very interesting reading these records my mums Brother George James Ellis was on board this ship in 1918 and having read all of this he must have dies of the Spanish Flu, as well. He must have been still training. He died 4/7/1918 age 17. His number is J089575.

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horatio2
32 minutes ago, Greyghost said:

he must have dies of the Spanish Flu,

 

A bit early for the main epidemic which ramped up in UK in October 1918. His record shows he died of empyema in Plymouth Hospital (one of our medical specialists will advise whether this was flu'-related.).

His correct official number was J.89575.

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seaJane

Wikipedia says "a collection of pus in the pleural cavity" [round the lungs]. "Often it happens in the context of pneumonia, injury, or chest surgery."

 

As the symptoms in thr flu pandemic usually took the form of influenza developing to pneumonia, it could have been flu (an early case of pandemic or a late case of May 1918's less virulent form). But, without antibiotics, chest infections such as bronchitis were at that time much more likely to result in pneumonia anyway.

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