high wood Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 More RAF personnel. This may be the man that the album originally belonged to. I think the family name is Joel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 The first photograph appears to show British army officers checking a RAF lorry. The second appear to be officers from 207 Squadron. Their Great War medal ribbons are clearly visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 RAF officers drinking tea outside a cafe in Constantinople. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 Any chance of a close up of the mosque? Heid the Ba, thank you for your observations on the photographs, much appreciated. Here is a different view of what may be the same mosque. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 This might be one of the gateways to the Dolmabahce Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 30 October , 2008 Share Posted 30 October , 2008 35 and 52 could be the same mosque, but 54 is Haghia Sophia. It is an Orthodox church converted to a mosque with the addition of four minarets rather than built as a mosque. 55 does look like the Sultan's Gate at Dolmabahce. 18 lower is annoying me because I can't remember which fort it is and I can't find a picture of it anywhere. It is an old Byzantine one built before the siege in 1453 but I can't place it. Happy to help high wood, I knew my Byzantine history degree would come in useful one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 31 October , 2008 Share Posted 31 October , 2008 There are several other photographs of ruined fort like structures. It appears to have been snowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 31 October , 2008 Share Posted 31 October , 2008 57 right is of the Walls of Theodosius, the outer Byzantine defences. They ran from the Sea of Marmara to the Golden Horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykikcabbage Posted 1 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2008 Sorry, I've been away for a while... Thanks for all the suggestions; and don't worry about "hijacking" the thread, high wood -- I'll be interested to take a look at those photos myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 2 November , 2008 Share Posted 2 November , 2008 High Wood the blue jobs seem to be ignoring this. It might be worth a link in the "War in the Air" subforum. Psychic Cabbage, as someone said in the first thread I posted in, the digressions are sometimes as interesting as the the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2008 Share Posted 2 November , 2008 Heid tha ba' or may I call you Heid? thanks for your suggestion. I have posted a couple of aircraft / airfield pictures on the war in the air section to hopefully whet their appetites. They should be over in droves in no time at all. Whilst we wait for them to join us, here is some more Ottoman architecture . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 2 November , 2008 Share Posted 2 November , 2008 And a couple of Greek gentlemen with bushy beards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dolphin Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 High Wood Many thanks for posting the photos. I saw the ones you posted in The War in the Air and followed the trail here. The overturned DH9A in post 13 looks like J557, which was delivered to No 207 Sqn in November 1920. It crashed while landing on soft ground at San Stefano, Turkey, on 5 February 1923; F/O W E Knowlden and F/O H J Payne were both unhurt. I hope that this is useful. I'm sure that there was a contemporary conspiracy to obscure the serial numbers in as many aeroplane photos as possible. Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnshep Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 I am a nut for the Byzantine and Romanesque and browsing these pictures has been a real pleasure. I am wondering if 18 Lower is the Anadolu Hisari on the Asiatic side. 48 Lower has already been identified as the Galata Bridge which looks very little changed today. Nearby you can buy baps with freshly caught fish from the Sea of Marmora straight from the fishing boats. It makes my mouth water to remember them. 57 Upper. I have a suspicion that may be the ruins of the Monastery of Studius (Imrahor Camii) because of the pillar. If so it was the place where the relics of John the Baptist were preserved until they were transferred to the Topkapi. It was destroyed by fire and earthquakes. This could tie in with 57 Lower which might possibly be the walls at or near Seven Towers Castle (Yedikule) - the coursework in the fragment of wall is typically Roman. If the two photos were next to each other in the album they were probably taken on the same trip as they are quite close together. 61 looks very familiar. I am wondering if its the arch you pass through shortly after leaving the eastern exit of the Grand Bazaar. If so I would not have taken in the finer details on my last visit as I was still reeling after paying for my wife's filigree earrings. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 I am wondering if 18 Lower is the Anadolu Hisari on the Asiatic side. 48 Lower has already been identified as the Galata Bridge which looks very little changed today. Nearby you can buy baps with freshly caught fish from the Sea of Marmora straight from the fishing boats. It makes my mouth water to remember them. Always good to meet another Byzantinist. I think you are right about this. I had rejected it as all the photos I could find are from other angles. The nearby villa is pretty conclusive though it seems to have gained another storey since the 1920s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 High Wood The overturned DH9A in post 13 looks like J557, which was delivered to No 207 Sqn in November 1920. It crashed while landing on soft ground at San Stefano, Turkey, on 5 February 1923; F/O W E Knowlden and F/O H J Payne were both unhurt. I'm sure that there was a contemporary conspiracy to obscure the serial numbers in as many aeroplane photos as possible. Gareth Gareth, many thanks for your input. Heid the Ba's suggestion is already paying dividends. The original album is uncaptioned and you have managed to provide a location and a date for an otherwise unidentifed photograph. Not sure about the conspiracy theory though as these photographs were taken by a member of the squadron for his family album. In another post the registration number H1682 is clearly visible on a crashed aircraft. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 Some more 207 Squadron photographs. Air 27/1233 records that in February 1923, "Five aircraft were fitted with new auxiliary tanks. There was no little disatisfaction by pilots and air observers owing to the excessive weight and bad visibility of the aircraft. There were two forced landings owing to the adaptor cock on the water pump casing working loose. Two more aircraft were severely damaged on landing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 3 November , 2008 Share Posted 3 November , 2008 More aero engine repairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin Posted 4 November , 2008 Share Posted 4 November , 2008 Simon I was joking about my conspiracy theory. It's just that one can't help but notice how often someone is standing in front of part or all of an aeroplane's serial number in photographs, or that the photo is taken from an angle that makes the serial invisible. It's just one of the things sent to try amateur historians. H1682 is a Bristol Fighter, and I think that it would have been flown by No 208 Sqn RAF, who operated from San Stefano from 28 September 1922 to 26 September 1923, when they moved to Ismailia in Egypt. The other RAF units based at San Stefano, ie Nos 17, 25, 56, 150, 207, 220 and 222 Sqns, didn't use the Bristol Fighter. The aeroplanes in the No 207 Sqn photos are Airco DH 9As, a two seat day bomber/general purpose machine with an American-built 400hp Liberty 12A engine. Regards Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2008 Share Posted 4 November , 2008 57 Upper. I have a suspicion that may be the ruins of the Monastery of Studius (Imrahor Camii) because of the pillar. If so it was the place where the relics of John the Baptist were preserved until they were transferred to the Topkapi. It was destroyed by fire and earthquakes. This could tie in with 57 Lower which might possibly be the walls at or near Seven Towers Castle (Yedikule) - the coursework in the fragment of wall is typically Roman. If the two photos were next to each other in the album they were probably taken on the same trip as they are quite close together. John Here is how the photographs appear in the album, sadly uncaptioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2008 Share Posted 4 November , 2008 More architecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 4 November , 2008 Share Posted 4 November , 2008 Other walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted 4 November , 2008 Share Posted 4 November , 2008 Hallo Fellow Members, this might be of interest to some:- saves posting it twice. Connaught Stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnshep Posted 5 November , 2008 Share Posted 5 November , 2008 If somebody can identify the bas relief in #71 bottom right, I will book my air fare straight away. Gorgeous. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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